Israel/Palestine

DetlefK

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20. Two peoples, one homeland, but they are not the same.

Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:15 PM

Oct 2016

The Jews want to get rid of the foreigners living on "their" homeland.
The Palestinians want to get rid of the Jews living on "their" homeland.

The Jews are seen as occupiers because the palestinian community has grown organically in Judea and Palestine. The nation Israel did not grow organically there but was a planned and executed project with a dedicated purpose. For all the historical continuity from ancient times to the present, there is no political continuity on the side of the Jews from ancient times to the present, because the kingdom Israel hasn't existed as an independent entity for centuries. That's why their claim seems so dubious.

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Jews Do Not ‘Occupy’ Their Own Homeland [View all] shira Oct 2016 OP

Times of Israel? Jason1961 Oct 2016 #1

Nice Trumpian pivot elias7 Oct 2016 #3

It's about indigenous rights. UNESCO just denied Jewish indigenous rights. shira Oct 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Oct 2016 #25

Some are, sure. And? n/t shira Oct 2016 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Oct 2016 #31

There was a lot of Arab immigration into Palestine. Ever heard of Robert Kennedy? shira Oct 2016 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #35

William Ziff's 1937 Rape of Palestine shows mass immigration during British occupation.... shira Nov 2016 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #48

What a total load. aranthus Nov 2016 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #55

Like Ilan Pappe? aranthus Nov 2016 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #58

What would be the point? aranthus Nov 2016 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #64

But you were willingly fooled by Illan Pappe, an admitted revisionist & liar. shira Nov 2016 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #56

You acknowledged he was discredited with an "oops". Did u "forget"? shira Nov 2016 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #62

Pappe defended Katz's lies about Nazi style executions proven to be a hoax.... shira Nov 2016 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #54

You've learned what? You're still a fan of the discredited admitted revisionist Pappe. shira Nov 2016 #60

So you believe Winston Churchill & Bobby Kennedy deliberately lied, right? shira Nov 2016 #61

Dom't Worry. I think most of got the point of your post. bitterross Nov 2016 #76

Very interesting & informative. Thanks for posting. nt jonno99 Oct 2016 #2

If it's the jewish homeland, why do the Palestinians live there? DetlefK Oct 2016 #5

Why can't it be the homeland of 2 peoples? Why are just Jews seen as thieves.... shira Oct 2016 #6

^^^ THIS! x1000^^^ nt jonno99 Oct 2016 #8

Maybe because they took up those positions with such alacrity, yeah? procon Oct 2016 #18

Two peoples, one homeland, but they are not the same. DetlefK Oct 2016 #20

There is no sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #21

I know that, but Shira asked about perception. DetlefK Oct 2016 #23

If the Jews want to get rid of the Arabs, they're doing a terrible job. shira Nov 2016 #40

Well, I guess we will all have to leave pennylane100 Oct 2016 #7

Where do you see an argument for anyone leaving? shira Oct 2016 #12

There are already people who have lived for generations on the land. Most of them are not jewish. pennylane100 Oct 2016 #15

People could live generations on some land but not be indigenous. shira Oct 2016 #27

Does every ethnicity/nationality have a claim to the land where they lived 2,000-odd years ago? malchickiwick Oct 2016 #9

We're talking indigenous rights. Jews are indigenous there according... shira Oct 2016 #11

Not at all. Do you advocate acknowledging those rights only selectively? n/t malchickiwick Oct 2016 #14

No, I don't but I wonder why so many on this thread.... shira Oct 2016 #28

Don't the Palestinians also have indigenous rights? Palestinians = Philistines, malchickiwick Oct 2016 #33

No one is arguing they don't, only that the Jews aren't thieves, colonists, occupiers. N/T shira Nov 2016 #37

My Cannanite forbears disagree. CanadaexPat Oct 2016 #10

Can you prove you're in any way Canaanite? shira Oct 2016 #13

So now all non jews must provide pedigrees? pennylane100 Oct 2016 #16

You claimed to be Canaanite. Problem is you don't know a thing... shira Oct 2016 #29

Try to keep up with the conversation, pennylane100 Oct 2016 #34

Seems like youare sabbat hunter Nov 2016 #52

Again, that wwas not ny poat pennylane100 Nov 2016 #53

Jews probably sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #22

Almost certainly. aranthus Nov 2016 #43

I don't think you can go by language sabbat hunter Nov 2016 #44

True, you can't go by language alone, aranthus Nov 2016 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #66

If you're worried about discrimination then you should oppose racist efforts to deny Jews' rights... shira Nov 2016 #67

As to everyone living in their ancestral homeland, Palestinians in Gaza, W.Bank, Jordan.... shira Nov 2016 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #71

Jews aren't allowed in Jordan which was part of Palestine... shira Nov 2016 #74

We've had this discussion before. aranthus Nov 2016 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #70

No, I'm an anti-racist. aranthus Nov 2016 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #73

For argument's sake, let's say the claims are identical b/w the 2 peoples... shira Nov 2016 #75

Leaving aside the utter foolishness of your position aranthus Nov 2016 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #78

But Tich, you ethnically discriminate all the time, not wanting Jews in the W.Bank.... shira Nov 2016 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #82

Well they do, but that's off the table b/c as Jews they're not allowed to live there.... shira Nov 2016 #83

See, you think that having a country is discrimnation. aranthus Nov 2016 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #81

She wasn't aware Jews just might want to live over the Jordan River... shira Nov 2016 #84

Ideologically addled. n/t aranthus Nov 2016 #85

the history of the israelites make it very clear how they came to "own" judea nt msongs Oct 2016 #17

Just like countless other people they conquerored it. Leontius Oct 2016 #19

+1000. n/t shira Nov 2016 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Oct 2016 #24

It's a response to UNESCO's obvious racism. There's nothing racist.... shira Oct 2016 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #36

LoL. You see what you want to see, still denying UNESCO's blatant racism. shira Nov 2016 #39

Do u think it's racist to view Jews as colonists or thieves & not indigenous? shira Nov 2016 #41

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