Israel/Palestine

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

58. You are wrong

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 10:23 AM

Dec 2016

The people that don't consider Obama pro-Israel also feel the same way about Hillary Clinton.

Reasonable people understand that both of them are/were pro-Israel.

As for Bush 44, he was also very popular among Israelis, but his father was definitely not - and neither was Reagan.

With respect to Trump, I don't think he has any actual opinions on the subject and certainly no understanding or interest in learning more about the situation.

I think it is important to recognize that the pro-Israel community among Democrats is different from the pro-Israel community among Republicans.

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trumps envoy: new administration won't tell israel what policies to adopt [View all] geek tragedy Dec 2016 OP

Liberal Jewish vs Israeli HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #1

support for Israel is a conservative position. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #2

That is definitely not true oberliner Dec 2016 #5

Most liberal country in the Middle East is like being the tallest resident in Hobbiton. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #7

Jimmy Carter: "I know that Israel is a wonderful democracy with equal treatment..." shira Dec 2016 #18

Well at least you are acknowledging that your opinion is the opposite of Obama's oberliner Dec 2016 #25

Obama fears that the Israel he loves will cease to exist. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #44

He has never expressed that sentiment oberliner Dec 2016 #59

Not sure how that quote undermines my statement. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #64

Obama has expressed no such fears oberliner Dec 2016 #65

what Obama thinks geek tragedy Dec 2016 #66

Unquestioning public support is, though. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #14

This will put pressure on the PA/Hamas to work for peace.... shira Dec 2016 #17

You have articulated the J Street position oberliner Dec 2016 #26

I stand with them and also with Rabbi Michael Lerner Ken Burch Dec 2016 #31

I agree that the J Street position ought to be considered a pro Israel position oberliner Dec 2016 #33

Can we cancel the $40B exboyfil Dec 2016 #3

We'll be fortunate if he doesn't double it geek tragedy Dec 2016 #4

You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Dec 2016 #6

Bush increased it over Clinton. Never tried to cut it. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #8

Obama increased aid to Israel more than any other US president oberliner Dec 2016 #24

He did appoint a new ambassador to Israel who supports moving the embassy to Jerusalem Ken Burch Dec 2016 #29

Because he is his bankruptcy lawyer oberliner Dec 2016 #34

I suppose we're lucky he didn't make Ivanka chief of staff.... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #35

She is actually one of the more reasonable people around his orbit oberliner Dec 2016 #36

Eric or Donald Jr., then. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #37

Or Hulk Hogan Sec Def, Lightning McQueen Sec. Transport.... shira Dec 2016 #39

And Obama is still considered less pro Israel than geek tragedy Dec 2016 #45

You are wrong oberliner Dec 2016 #58

To anti-zionists, all Zionists are the same Left to Right.... shira Dec 2016 #61

That is true oberliner Dec 2016 #62

Well, yes, the pro-Israel community amongst Democrats is less than absolute geek tragedy Dec 2016 #63

The second Bush was more Likudnik than Netanyahu. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #15

Not true in either case oberliner Dec 2016 #23

Reagan? Certainly not. grossproffit Dec 2016 #27

He had every Security Council resolution that was even mildly critical of the Occupation vetoed. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #28

The UN is horridly obsessed with Israel, you know that. shira Dec 2016 #40

...so THAT's where he'll build that Wall!... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #30

We would have to cancel the Camp David accords first hack89 Dec 2016 #71

I disagree with the assessment that this is the "most pro-Israel administration possible" still_one Dec 2016 #9

being pro-Israel and doing what's best for Israel are two very different things geek tragedy Dec 2016 #10

For one thing the republican party platform has rejected the Iran nuclear deal as binding on the still_one Dec 2016 #11

they make lots of noise. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #12

Hmmmm....... GeoWilliam750 Dec 2016 #13

Good. That'll probably pressure the PA into making concessions. n/t shira Dec 2016 #16

Havent they made a few? TheHak Dec 2016 #53

The PA hasn't quit the armed revolution, not even close.... shira Dec 2016 #55

Armed revolution? TheHak Dec 2016 #57

Yeah, terror. It's never stopped although it should have 20 years ago. shira Dec 2016 #60

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LoL @ your ridiculous view that Israel is a useless asset. n/t shira Dec 2016 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #21

Well yeah, Israel is a friendly loyal democracy, it's neighbors are tyrannical.... shira Dec 2016 #22

It's not possible to achieve peace by coercing the Palestinian leadership Ken Burch Dec 2016 #32

And pressuring Israel hasn't worked out either, so? shira Dec 2016 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #41

How do u know? Pressuring the PA has never been tried before. shira Dec 2016 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #43

I'm well aware you think no Palestinian state can exist with Jews in it. shira Dec 2016 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #47

You're not addressing the argument, that settlements could become Palestinian.... shira Dec 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #49

Under the Clinton/Olmert plans, Jerusalem would be split. Next question? shira Dec 2016 #50

Why couldn't they integrate? TheHak Dec 2016 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author shira Dec 2016 #52

Are you answering to me? TheHak Dec 2016 #54

My bad, thought you were someone else. n/t shira Dec 2016 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #68

It's a domestic political calculation. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #69

Palestinians have nothing to gain in the short term geek tragedy Dec 2016 #70