Israel/Palestine

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8. In the past Barack Obama and Joe Biden and John Kerry and Jerry Nadler and

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 01:22 PM

Dec 2016

Dianne Feinstein and other liberal/center-left Democrats were still counted as pro-Israel by the AIPAC crowd.

That's going to end under Trump. Anyone associated with the Obama administration's viewpoints is going to be viewed as an enemy of Israel by those who take it upon themselves to police such matters.

I have no illusions about what most Democratic politicians will do--they'll make excuses for apartheid and just ignore it at best. Very few will have the gonads to take a principled stand on progressive/liberal principles. There's simply nothing politically to be gained by departing from the dominant party line in DC regarding Israel/Palestine.

But, the bipartisan consensus will continue to erode slowly with every election cycle as more and more Democrats gradually peel away from Team Apartheid.

The Democratic party's support for the regime in Israel will one day be as anachronistic and contrary to its values as its support for Jim Crow.

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Trump Could Be Israels Worst Nightmare [View all] applegrove Dec 2016 OP

Netanyahu replied to Kerry's speech in English and it was not on Israeli TV in any language. applegrove Dec 2016 #1

Support for Israel is a rightwing position. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #2

No, it's not oberliner Dec 2016 #3

Obama and Kerry are no longer considered supporters of Israel geek tragedy Dec 2016 #4

J Street applauds Kerry speech, urges congressional backing oberliner Dec 2016 #13

J street is irrelevant. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #18

They are left-wing supporters of Israel oberliner Dec 2016 #19

Israel does not view them as supporters. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #20

Yes, they do oberliner Dec 2016 #21

57% of Knesset seats are controlled by far-right parties. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #22

57% of the members of the House of Representatives in the US are Republicans oberliner Dec 2016 #23

Touche'. In fact the situation here parallels exactly what is happening in Israel still_one Jan 2017 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #24

No. aranthus Jan 2017 #44

Not all criticism is hostility. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #47

True, but I'm talking about aranthus Jan 2017 #49

The Paleo right used to hold that view until Muslims geek tragedy Jan 2017 #50

It will be interesting, to say the least. DanTex Dec 2016 #5

We're going to have at least 4 years of anyone who dissents from the Bibi-Trump pro-apartheid party geek tragedy Dec 2016 #6

That's not really new. Already criticism of Israel is reflexively labeled anti-Semitic. DanTex Dec 2016 #7

In the past Barack Obama and Joe Biden and John Kerry and Jerry Nadler and geek tragedy Dec 2016 #8

I agree with you fully. DanTex Dec 2016 #9

No, it's not oberliner Dec 2016 #10

No, I didn't do that at all. DanTex Dec 2016 #11

Fair enough oberliner Dec 2016 #12

Thanks. Question for you. DanTex Dec 2016 #14

I think it is in a lot of trouble, but I would not say it is dead oberliner Dec 2016 #15

Thanks for the answer. I am more pessimistic. DanTex Dec 2016 #16

Understandable oberliner Dec 2016 #17

My take is that Israelis have given up on it. aranthus Jan 2017 #45

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #25

I've been wondering just how long this love affair between the Con anbd Bebe will last. The Con napi21 Dec 2016 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #27

You're wrong oberliner Dec 2016 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #30

He is a Democrat who expresses strong support for Israel oberliner Dec 2016 #33

Making the Progressive Case for Israel shira Dec 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #34

If you think support for Israel is "right-wing," branford Jan 2017 #35

Excellent post. Thank you, Branford. grossproffit Jan 2017 #36

LT is likely confusing softening support for Israel among the *far left* of the Democratic Party, branford Jan 2017 #37

I couldn't agree with you more. I greatly appreciate your putting into words what I've been feeling grossproffit Jan 2017 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Jan 2017 #42

We know where your views are "aligned." branford Jan 2017 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Jan 2017 #65

Lots of Democrats are liberals on everything but Israel. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #48

Support for Israel is a reflex action for most supporters HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #53

Who appointed you official judge of who is liberal? branford Jan 2017 #63

There is no political upside amongst white voters geek tragedy Jan 2017 #64

Yahoo is a putz! dubyadiprecession Dec 2016 #28

As a Jew, I am afraid that Bibi and Trump will eventually hurt Israel Gothmog Dec 2016 #32

If our party was concerned about Bibi and Trump becoming too aligned, branford Jan 2017 #38

Bibi and Netanyahu are the same person oberliner Jan 2017 #40

Congratulations, you discovered a typo. branford Jan 2017 #41

Thanks for the correction oberliner Jan 2017 #43

First of all Benjamin Netanyahu is Polish not Israeli underthematrix Jan 2017 #51

How was he instrumental in our election? grossproffit Jan 2017 #54

Trump had eight "campaign" offices in underthematrix Jan 2017 #56

So, you have nothing other than your own conspiracy theory. grossproffit Jan 2017 #60

I don't deal in con spiracy theories but whatever works for you underthematrix Jan 2017 #61

Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv in 1949 Mosby Jan 2017 #57

Yes. The two Polish people who produced him underthematrix Jan 2017 #58

your statements are bigoted Mosby Jan 2017 #59

There's nothing bigoted about saying he's European. underthematrix Jan 2017 #67

His ancestry is the People of Israel, just like his parents Mosby Jan 2017 #70

I see what you're saying underthematrix Jan 2017 #71

Wow. This is racist as hell. grossproffit Jan 2017 #66

Now this is truly bizarre. Bernie is of Polish ancestry. Biden is of Irish underthematrix Jan 2017 #69

Netanyahu is Israeli, as much as most progressive Israelis wish otherwise geek tragedy Jan 2017 #68

I doubt it alienates a key Democratic constituency karynnj Jan 2017 #46

This 2009 article is still timely HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #55