Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism [View all]aranthus
(3,386 posts)If not, then you are simply asking for trouble by posting them. In fact, you have no standing to make their arguments at all. First, your claim that "many" Jews believe as TTJ or Neturei Karta is just statistical nonsense. At best, they comprise maybe 1% of the world's Jews. They don't get to define the rest of us. More important, if you aren't TTJ or Neturei Karta, then you don't believe what they believe, and you believe for different reasons. As has already been stated on this thread, they are both very conservative Orthodox sects. It's very unlikely that a member of TTJ or NK would post here.
More to the point. Both TTJ and NK believe differently from the typical Leftist or Conservative anti-Zionist. TTJ's and NK's beliefs on Israel may be summarized as, "The Jewish people have no right to Israel at the present time." That means that in the future they would. The typical anti-Zionist believes that Israel has no right to exist ever, at all. So the two beliefs are actually very different. Second, TTJ and NK believe what they do based on a peculiar to them reading of the Scriptures. So unless you share their religious views, who cares what they say? Traditional anti-Zionists don't give a crap about the Scriptures, and are against Israel's existence for various political, chauvinistic and/or antisemitic reasons.
So the beliefs and arguments of TTJ or NK don't support the positions of anyone else, because they are completely different beliefs. Also, they don't shield traditional anti-Zionists from the legitimate charge of antisemitism. I don't know what your real beliefs are, and I'm not trying to pick on you. It's just that most Jews who know anything about TTJ and NK also know that they are used, and allow themselves to be used, by antisemites to create a false shield against the charge of antisemitism. So instead of supporting your position, when you cite to TTJ and NK it's like shining a spotlight on yourself that you may in fact be an antisemite and dishonest to boot. That isn't you, and that isn't what you want to say. And again this isn't directed at you per se. TTJ and NK get trotted out by lots of people on many sites including often on DU. I'm saying to everyone that when you do, what it does is hang a very unflattering sign on you.