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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
81. I don't like false accusations. I don't like to see people of good will slandered.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:50 PM
Feb 2015

BDS is not "pro-Hamas", its just that they recognize that it's not possible to get rid of Hamas and that that faction has to be engaged or negotiated with somehow if any peace agreement is to mean anything.

And posters here have accused BDS of staging the pig head attack themselves, which is a despicable lie. They condemned that attack, and from what I can see, they are basically being demonized because they didn't use exactly the right words in condemning it.

And BDS itself isn't going to be part of any negotiations themselves, so what difference does it make if they support "Israel's existence" or not?

It's not as though there is any possible good that could come of crushing BDS, either.

I see BDS as basically a group of good-hearted idealists. Most of them, IMHO, would probably back a two-state solution if it weren't for the fact that they have no real reason to believe the Israeli government supports that(instead, Netanyahu's perpetual settlement expansions and his insistence of leaving the IDF in the Jordan valley for the rest of eternity-a proposal which would guarantee that a Palestinian state could never survive-and people in the furthest right-wing reaches of his coalition have actually tried to revive the discredited and inherently unjust "federation with Jordan" proposal-a proposal that would leave Palestinians in the West Bank even more powerless and devoid of hope than they are now) and that most of them started as two-state supporters before Israeli intransigence led them to the conclusion that a two-state solution would never be possible.

The best counter-attack "pro-Israel" people could do against BDS would be to call for the Israeli government to actually get serious about the pressing need to let Palestinians have a real state and the breathing space to create a life for themselves.
Since there's nothing to be said for "staying the course" in the West Bank, and since there's no chance that staying that course will ever lead to a different and BETTER Palestinian leadership, there's no reason not to.

"Groups like this say they stand for justice, but they really stand for prejudice." King_David Oct 2014 #1
This incident provided the BDS movement with a great opportunity to reject anti-semitism oberliner Oct 2014 #2
Typical BDS holes. This is the Palestinian cause 2014. Classy. n/t shira Oct 2014 #4
can you give us a link to that statement? I would think people might beinterested in reading it n/t azurnoir Oct 2014 #11
Sure oberliner Oct 2014 #14
Thanks.* BDS South Africa must state clearly that while we will condemn such actions, we are not Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #17
We trust that Woolworths and other Apartheid Israel sympathisers will not try derail media azurnoir Oct 2014 #18
How do you feel about Boycott Woolworths? oberliner Oct 2014 #19
quote shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #21
Opportunity missed oberliner Oct 2014 #22
Probably... shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #23
Typical BDS. What else do u expect from racist Jew hating bigots? shira Oct 2014 #24
What difference does it make if they use the word "antisemitism" or not? Ken Burch Feb 2015 #77
Because it was a racist act of hatred against Jews. The BDS response was timid & weak... shira Feb 2015 #83
If they condemn the attack, what difference does it make whether they use the word "antisemitism"? Ken Burch Feb 2015 #76
They condemned the attack. What difference does it make what wording they used? Ken Burch Feb 2015 #75
israel is the most anti-semitic nation on the planet nt msongs Oct 2014 #3
really ?????????? COLGATE4 Oct 2014 #5
Is it a full moon again? n/t shira Oct 2014 #6
Apparently. (I think the poster is trying the COLGATE4 Oct 2014 #7
He said the Israeli "nation" we're King_David Oct 2014 #9
Where was your usual "Israelite" comment? King_David Oct 2014 #8
100 percent correct. Palestinians are semitic. NordicLeft Oct 2014 #36
AntiSemitic means hatred of Jews King_David Oct 2014 #37
sorry, you do not get to define the definitions NordicLeft Nov 2014 #38
Yes not me King_David Nov 2014 #39
must really be an signifigant event 2nd thread you've run why didn't you just kick the original? azurnoir Oct 2014 #10
I would say so yes King_David Oct 2014 #12
so a single incident in an South African retail store sums up a global movement for you? azurnoir Oct 2014 #13
It's certainly not a "single" incident King_David Oct 2014 #15
Free Gaza and Greta Berlin are in your mind the "ultimate haters of Jews"? azurnoir Oct 2014 #16
Yep King_David Oct 2014 #20
Wow. That's your ultimate, huh? For real? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #26
Sorry not taking Scooloo's bait no more King_David Oct 2014 #27
well, I'm just a bit puzzled, Dave Scootaloo Oct 2014 #28
Just a video? King_David Oct 2014 #29
A propaganda video intended to be posted to a discussion group about propaganda, yes Scootaloo Oct 2014 #30
That is complete and total BS oberliner Oct 2014 #31
And this is the ultimate in jew-hate? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #32
No what we really know is that Oberliner King_David Oct 2014 #33
No, my topic has always been this Scootaloo Oct 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Oct 2014 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Jun 2015 #85
Placing a pig's head in the kosher section? NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #25
M.J. Rosenberg's Critique of BDS Movement shira Nov 2014 #40
BDS, Racism and the New McCarthyism shira Nov 2014 #41
BDS co-founder Omar Barghouti rejects Gaza ceasefire, sides w/ Hamas shira Nov 2014 #42
The B.D.S. Threat shira Nov 2014 #43
I'm very happy that more people are interested in Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2014 #44
The Israel boycott that backfired - LA Times King_David Nov 2014 #45
It wouldn't be sucessful if you weren't kvetching about it. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2014 #46
BDS-SA Invites Hijacker While World Condemns Terrorism shira Jan 2015 #47
No BDS-SA, Leila Khaled is not the Mother Theresa of airplane hijackers shira Jan 2015 #48
more... shira Jan 2015 #71
Now BDS is boycotting Muslims who talk to Israeli Jews... shira Jan 2015 #49
Schumer: BDS is antisemitic shira Jan 2015 #50
WATCH: Noam Chomsky blasts BDS movement's hypocrisy and antisemitism shira Jan 2015 #51
Norman Finkelstein calls BDS a cult, dishonest, wanting Israel eliminated... shira Jan 2015 #55
BDS is scaring Israel. That's a good thing. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #52
All the isolated incidents are becoming many King_David Jan 2015 #54
Fascism scared Jews in the 30's, for good reason. Same for BDS. n/t shira Jan 2015 #56
BDS is grossly antisemitic & it's being exposed. shira Jan 2015 #68
BDS leaders say >200K Israelis will have 2 die 2 implement BDS goal... shira Jan 2015 #53
BDS leader Ali Abunimah says double-hijacking terrorist is icon... shira Jan 2015 #57
Ali Abunimah: Hamas rockets are legit resistance shira Jan 2015 #58
Abunimah also loves terrorist Rasmea Odeh... shira Jan 2015 #63
BDS hero Ben White dreams; by “bloodshed & sweat of martyrs”, Palestine will be free shira Jan 2015 #59
BDS heroes at Mondoweiss support unreformed terrorist Rasmea Odeh shira Jan 2015 #60
Mondoweiss says terrorist murderers are freedom fighters... shira Jan 2015 #65
Mondoweiss defends Hamas racist genocidal charter shira Jan 2015 #67
BDS heroes at JVP support terrorist as well... shira Jan 2015 #61
BDS hero Max Blumenthal supports terrorist Rasmea Odeh shira Jan 2015 #62
Blumenthal supports Hamas rockets and terror tunnels... shira Jan 2015 #66
BDS hero at Code Pink participates in Iran hatefest... shira Jan 2015 #64
BDS' Omar Barghouti advocates destruction of Israel shira Jan 2015 #69
BDS cheerleaders of Gaza 2014 war, defending Hamas rejection of all ceasefires.... shira Jan 2015 #70
Pro-Hezbollah group #NYC2Palestine & JVP disrupted Auschwitz vote shira Jan 2015 #72
Poll: 72% of European Jews say BDS is antisemitic shira Feb 2015 #73
71% of American Jews strongly oppose BDS shira Jun 2015 #88
Again with the pig head. Ken Burch Feb 2015 #74
BDS is a foul movement, against Israel's existence, pro-Hamas shira Feb 2015 #80
I don't like false accusations. I don't like to see people of good will slandered. Ken Burch Feb 2015 #81
BDS is definitely Jew hating, pro-Hamas, & against Israel's existence. shira Feb 2015 #82
The israeli propaganda mills are working overtime mwrguy Feb 2015 #78
Whatever that means King_David Feb 2015 #79
Yair Lapid: BDS leaders are 'out and out anti-Semites' shira Jun 2015 #84
Lord Sacks: BDS makes it ‘almost impossible’ for Europe’s Jews to support Israel shira Jun 2015 #86
BDS activists do not get to tell Jews that BDS is not anti-Semitic. shira Jun 2015 #87
BDS supporters can say whatever the fekk the like. Like right now... R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #89
Obama thinks anti-Zionists (BDS) are bigots. shira Jun 2015 #90
Obama is also for TPP, so who cares. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #91
Do you agree or disagree that Israel should be boycotted until.... shira Jun 2015 #92
Apartheid Israel should be boycotted like South Africa was. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #93
You didn't answer. It's an easy question. Do u support the BDS position.... shira Jun 2015 #94
You have my answer. Too bad it's not the one you want. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #95
Such an outspoken supporter of BDS, but afraid to answer a simple question! shira Jun 2015 #96
It's too bad you can't handle it, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #98
What do you fear from honestly answering that question? n/t shira Jun 2015 #99
Iv'e already answered it. Sorry it's not the answer you want. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #100
You didn't answer it. I asked you specifically about boycotting Israel.... shira Jun 2015 #101
It's too bad that you are unable to comprehend R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #102
"I mean we have to be honest, and I loathe the disingenuousness. They don't want Israel." shira Jun 2015 #103
Your phantoms are getting the better of you, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #108
Reading is fundamental, and the world isn't black and white. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #97
BDS haters fight among themselves: Alison Weir Replies to JVP shira Jun 2015 #104
Viva Palestina (Flotilla) supports Alison Weir shira Jun 2015 #105
Free Gaza Movement expresses support for Alison Weir shira Jun 2015 #106
How do you fit 5 million Jews in a car? "In the ashtray" sez Madrid's new, pro-BDS culture czar. shira Jun 2015 #107
BDS darling Rania Khalek (Mondoweiss) attempts to justify terror attacks vs. settlers shira Aug 2015 #109
You just lied, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #110
She's trying to justify Hamas attacks on all settlers, including children shira Aug 2015 #112
Enjoy your brief stay. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #114
The hate that Rania Khalek and Mondoweiss spew is toxic. shira Aug 2015 #115
Look in the mirror... R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #116
Rania Khalek also linked to a Holocaust Denial website... shira Aug 2015 #113
Interesting to consider in conjunction with the previous day's Hamas statement 6chars Aug 2015 #111
Mondoweiss still on the fence regarding antisemite, Alison Weir shira Aug 2015 #117
Jewish Voice for Peace can’t seem to stay away from Alison Weir shira Dec 2015 #118
Amira Hass and the Elders of Zion shira Jan 2016 #119
Amira Hass recorded talking about Elders of Zion. shira Jan 2016 #120
I ask my question to Israeli Arab MK visiting London through a torrent of abuse. shira Jan 2016 #121
NYU's Students for Justice In Palestine blames Israel for Sterling, Castille murders... shira Jul 2016 #122
SJP thugs for BDS call for intifada (war on Jews) at Cal Berkley... shira Jul 2016 #123
SJP = Stupid Jihad Promoters ericson00 Jul 2016 #124
Stay away from the Canary Mission - they're the bad guys... Little Tich Jul 2016 #125
No, they're the good guys publicizing bigots @ SJP for being Jew haters.... shira Jul 2016 #127
Wikipedia: Intifada Little Tich Jul 2016 #130
It's funny how you caution people about sources, and then cite Wikipedia as if its legitimate oberliner Jul 2016 #131
The word "Intifada" is a general term that has been used in other contexts than Palestine. Little Tich Jul 2016 #132
In the context of I/P, intifada has only 1 meaning & that's not it. shira Jul 2016 #133
I'm wondering why a thread from 2014 is suddenly up on the "latest" page. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #126
Zionist conspiracy is my best guess. shira Jul 2016 #128
Considering the sad news lately is about other people... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #129
Mondoweiss BDS holes blame Israel (Jews) for latest Black Lives Matter shira Jul 2016 #134
Read down thread. Proves my point. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #135
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