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William Seger

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29. No, I'm saying there was no "uniform" resistance to produce "constant" acceleration
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:43 PM
Nov 2015

... nor would there be even if you blew out some of the columns. That's because the collapse was actually a series of impacts followed by structural failures, followed by the continued gravitational acceleration of the debris down to the next impact. One way to look at it is that the reason the collapse rate was "near freefall" was because mostly the debris WAS in freefall between collisions, after a very a brief descent through the resistance provided by the failing members. Those impacts are the source of the dynamic loading that Chandler's analysis ignores and that Szamboti's analysis overestimates. As I said, what Chandler and Szamboti actually measure is just the AVERAGE of all those individual failure events, and there is no reason to expect a single large "jolt" from them.

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What a paranoia driven cognitive dissonance looks like e.g. David Chandler William Seger Nov 2015 #1
Chandler's correct! You are not! wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #2
The floor pans did not get more robust lower in the structure. hack89 Nov 2015 #3
show me the specs that prove your claim or else you... wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #4
Why would it slow if the falling mass was getting heavier every second? hack89 Nov 2015 #6
much of that "falling mass" wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #7
So it didn't collapse in its own footprint? hack89 Nov 2015 #8
7 did yes... wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #9
Since the collapse left a towering pile of debris that filled a massive hole in the ground hack89 Nov 2015 #10
you'd be wrong... wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #11
So you are denying there was a huge pile of debris that fill a huge hole in the ground? hack89 Nov 2015 #12
so now you are saying... wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #13
Pretty much. How else would heavy objects fall except straight down? hack89 Nov 2015 #15
so how did wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #21
Wasn't the basement mainly open space? hack89 Nov 2015 #23
Relatively little debris was going over the side William Seger Nov 2015 #16
well that's obvious bullshit! wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #22
A lot of dust and the external walls hack89 Nov 2015 #24
RELATIVELY little debris was going over the side William Seger Nov 2015 #25
We've been through all this before William Seger Nov 2015 #5
you are embarrasing the board not I. wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #14
"And Chandler shows how he comes to his conclusions which you cannot do." William Seger Nov 2015 #17
did you do the wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #18
No need to hunt for math errors William Seger Nov 2015 #19
so you can't. ok. n/t wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #20
so you won't. ok. n/t William Seger Nov 2015 #26
but I did William... wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #27
are you asserting there was... wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #28
No, I'm saying there was no "uniform" resistance to produce "constant" acceleration William Seger Nov 2015 #29
akin to that ridiculous wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #30
You're ignoring gravity William Seger Nov 2015 #31
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