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William Seger

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12. Ryan's nonsense
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 01:37 PM
Dec 2015
The first (major problem) is that there was a great deal of molten metal at the WTC. Those who know that fact sometimes share internet memes that say “Jet Fuel Can’t Melt Steel Beams” when they want to convey that “Thermite Melted Steel at the WTC.”


Here we go again, needing to debunk the same nonsense over and over. Since each tower had about 2,000 tons of aluminum cladding on the exterior columns plus aluminum from the planes, and since aluminum melts at a temperature well within the range of both the initial fires and the persistent underground fires, and since the fires were not hot enough to melt steel, the most probable explanation by far for any "molten metal" is that it was aluminum. There was also a lot of lead in UPS power supply batteries, so that is another possibility for some of the reports. But oddly, there are no reports of anyone seeing molten aluminum or lead -- just "molten metal" or "molten steel." So how did the few people who reported seeing "molten steel" determine that it was steel instead of aluminum or lead? The answer is they didn't, because they couldn't possibly identify molten steel on sight; they were just assuming it was steel because that was their first thought. The "truthers" are quite correct that the fires were not hot enough to melt steel, and since there is absolutely no actual evidence of molten steel, a rational person would conclude that molten steel isn't a very viable hypothesis. But as Ryan reminds us, "truthers" are not rational people: They jump on the "molten metal" claims to promote their thermite nonsense, which was invented for the sole purpose of "explaining" why the collapses didn't sound anything like a controlled demolition. But there are two huge holes in their argument: They don't have any rational explanation for how thermite could possibly keep the steel molten for weeks, or how it could possibly be steel when the measured temperatures in the debris pile were not nearly that hot. Apparently the thermite they imagine is just as magical as their silent explosives, and yet Ryan has the chutzpah to say this:

The second major problem is that certain mainstream media sources continue to put a lot of energy into dis-informing the public about 9/11.

Sources like The Posts, The New York Times and some “alternative media” continue to work hard to support the official myth of 9/11. That effort is not easy because they must do so while providing as little actual information about 9/11 as possible. The dumbing down of the average citizen is a full time job for such propagandists. Luckily for them, American students receive almost no historical context that encourages them to think critically or consider ideas that conflict with blind allegiance to their government. When it comes to the WTC, it also helps that almost 80% of Americans are scientifically illiterate...snip


What hypocrisy! Not only is Ryan apparently scientifically illiterate and incapable of rational thought, his entire life is now devoted to dumbing down the average "truther" with pseudo-scientific horseshit while carefully avoiding any factual information that might lead them to a different conclusion.

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