Creative Speculation

Ace Acme

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41. The behavior of the building exterior in the sim bears no resemblance to reality.

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 01:19 PM

Nov 2013

The sim shows that when you remove the lateral support provided by the floors, the exterior of the building folds up. The building's actual behavior thus suggests that the floors were still in place, helping it keep its shape. The behavior of the exterior walls is hardly "irrelevant" to NIST's hypothesis for initiation and progression. An hypothesis needs to explain ALL the associated features. The behavior of the exterior of the actual building is not consistent with NIST's hypothesis.

Your belief that a non-structural curtain wall 300 feet wide and 600 feet tall is going to be rigid in a NW wind is a real hoot.

Give us an explanation that behaves as the actual building did, instead of an "Other than that, wouldn't you agree it was a pretty good play, Mrs. Lincoln?" argument.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] damnedifIknow Jul 2013 OP

"Where are you now, we need you brother," says the YouTube poster William Seger Jul 2013 #1

How do you explain the Thermite? damnedifIknow Jul 2013 #2

No need to explain things that didn't happen William Seger Jul 2013 #3

I hate to chastise you, but... tomk52 Aug 2013 #4

Who has replicated Dr. Millette's findings? And what peer-reviewed journal has published them? Ace Acme Oct 2013 #8

I guess we don't need all the demolition experts then. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #5

Not if the demolition experts want to remain employed: cpwm17 Aug 2013 #6

"the building will come straight down" William Seger Aug 2013 #7

WTC7 came straight down in terms of its E and W walls remaining plumb. Ace Acme Oct 2013 #9

Pointless point William Seger Oct 2013 #10

Point: it came straight down absolutely for most of its fall. Ace Acme Oct 2013 #11

Hmm, good point -- except for being wrong William Seger Oct 2013 #12

The NIST simulations bore no resemblance to reality Ace Acme Oct 2013 #13

The NIST simulation William Seger Oct 2013 #14

Oh brother Ace Acme Oct 2013 #15

Oh brother, read it again: The CURTAIN WALL panels are not in the model William Seger Oct 2013 #16

Are you claiming that the perimeter columns fell down with the rest of the structure Ace Acme Oct 2013 #17

Umm, no William Seger Oct 2013 #18

What you expect is not what NIST's models show Ace Acme Oct 2013 #19

You are pointlessly running around in circles William Seger Oct 2013 #20

You seem to be obfuscating Ace Acme Oct 2013 #21

Obfuscating? You seem to not understand much of what I say William Seger Oct 2013 #22

It's not my fault I don't understand what you say Ace Acme Oct 2013 #23

I can explain it to you; I can't understand it for you William Seger Oct 2013 #24

You're going in circles Ace Acme Oct 2013 #25

Here we go round the Mulberry bush William Seger Nov 2013 #27

You believe that the perimeter columns remain standing when the interior of the building fell down. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #30

Another pointless point William Seger Nov 2013 #31

The NIST simulations bore no resemblance to reality Ace Acme Nov 2013 #32

Your "wet paper bag" is completely pointless William Seger Nov 2013 #34

It's not my "wet paper bag"; it's NIST's "wet paper bag" Ace Acme Nov 2013 #35

"... it shows that NIST's computer models are completely off the beam." William Seger Nov 2013 #36

The models bear no resemblance to reality. Nor do your claims. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #37

I've watched that many times, and what I see... William Seger Nov 2013 #38

What you "see" in the video is your own fantasy about an explanation Ace Acme Nov 2013 #39

You claim "no resemblance" but then just ignore a list of resemblances William Seger Nov 2013 #40

The behavior of the building exterior in the sim bears no resemblance to reality. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #41

Why would Saddam go through the trouble and risk of planting explosives in buildings greyl Oct 2013 #26

Who said Saddam did anything at all? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #28

Members of Bush Gang Swore Under Oath Saddam Was Behind 9/11 greyl Nov 2013 #29

Did they swear up and down that Saddam planted explosives in the the towers? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #33