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In reply to the discussion: 9/11 Free Fall 7/18/13: Dr. deHaven-Smith and "conspiracy theory" [View all]William Seger
(11,046 posts)101. You don't UNDERSTAND anything Bazant says
... yet you want to tell someone who does understand it that "Bazant's theory bears no resemblance to reality?" Comedy gold. You seem to not comprehend that it isn't just Bazant's undeniable qualifications as an expert; it's the fact that what he's saying is not that complicated and it makes perfect sense, while your dear-in-the-headlights responses to it are pathetic. It's been over five years since Bazant made a laughing stock of Gourley with the following, and even with the help of Gage's "2090 architects and engineers," Gourley's inability to respond to it should give you a clue:
1. Newtons Third Law:
The discusser is not correct in repeatedly claiming that Newtons third law is violated in the paper and particularly in concluding that the two-phase collapse scenario is scientifically implausible because it ignores Newtons third law and the equal but opposite upward force dictated by it. As explained at the outset in every course on mechanics of materials, this law is automatically satisfied, since all the calculations are based on the concept of stress or internal force, which consists of a pair of opposite forces of equal magnitude acting on the opposite surfaces of any imagined cut through the material or structure. This concept is so central to the discipline of structural mechanics and self-evident to structural engineers that Newtons third law is never even mentioned in publications.
2. Are the Internal Forces in Upper and Lower Parts of Tower Equal?
Contrary to the discussers claim which is based on his understanding of Newtons third law, these forces are not equal, as made clear by Fig. 2 (g and h) of the original paper. Their difference is equal to the weight of the intermediate compacted layer B plus the inertia force attributable to the acceleration of layer B (for additional accuracy, one may also add the energy per unit height needed for the comminution of concrete and the expelling of air, which are secondary phenomena not taken into consideration in the original paper). When the compacted layer attains a sufficient mass, which occurs after the collapse of only a few stories, this difference becomes very large.
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(Decimation of every argument Gourley made.)
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Closing Comments
Although everyone is certainly entitled to express his or her opinion on any issue of concern, interested critics should realize that, to help discern the truth about an engineering problem such as the WTC collapse, it is necessary to become acquainted with the relevant material from an appropriate textbook on structural mechanics. Otherwise critics run the risk of misleading and wrongly influencing the public with incorrect information.
The discusser is not correct in repeatedly claiming that Newtons third law is violated in the paper and particularly in concluding that the two-phase collapse scenario is scientifically implausible because it ignores Newtons third law and the equal but opposite upward force dictated by it. As explained at the outset in every course on mechanics of materials, this law is automatically satisfied, since all the calculations are based on the concept of stress or internal force, which consists of a pair of opposite forces of equal magnitude acting on the opposite surfaces of any imagined cut through the material or structure. This concept is so central to the discipline of structural mechanics and self-evident to structural engineers that Newtons third law is never even mentioned in publications.
2. Are the Internal Forces in Upper and Lower Parts of Tower Equal?
Contrary to the discussers claim which is based on his understanding of Newtons third law, these forces are not equal, as made clear by Fig. 2 (g and h) of the original paper. Their difference is equal to the weight of the intermediate compacted layer B plus the inertia force attributable to the acceleration of layer B (for additional accuracy, one may also add the energy per unit height needed for the comminution of concrete and the expelling of air, which are secondary phenomena not taken into consideration in the original paper). When the compacted layer attains a sufficient mass, which occurs after the collapse of only a few stories, this difference becomes very large.
...
(Decimation of every argument Gourley made.)
...
Closing Comments
Although everyone is certainly entitled to express his or her opinion on any issue of concern, interested critics should realize that, to help discern the truth about an engineering problem such as the WTC collapse, it is necessary to become acquainted with the relevant material from an appropriate textbook on structural mechanics. Otherwise critics run the risk of misleading and wrongly influencing the public with incorrect information.
... and YOUR inability to even acknowledge the above, much less sensibly respond to it, is definitely a clue, o heroic "truthseeker."
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damnedifIknow
Jul 2013
OP
You claimed that the "conspiracy theorist" label was not applied to legitimate skeptics
Ace Acme
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Non sequitur, false dichotomy, straw man nonsense was your attempt at an argument nt
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So, the best you can do is fart in the general direction of some of the confessions
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It was possible to access most of the main structural columns from the elevator shafts
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NIST lied. The collapses were not explained. The 10 mysteries were not addressed.
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#82
The point is irrelevant. Bazant's model does not resemble reality. NIST does not name him.
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Nov 2013
#98
I understand what he says just fine. What he says bears no resemblance to reality. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#102
So your best is to change the subject and try to ignore the fact that your expert
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Nov 2013
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"Confessions" to interested parties that are known to lie to achieve their objectives
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