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wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
51. why the BS propaganda guys?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jun 2014

"“steel – which has a melting point of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit – may weaken and bend, but does not melt during an ordinary office fire. Yet metallurgical studies on WTC steel brought back to WPI reveal that a novel phenomenon – called a eutectic reaction – occurred at the surface, causing intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.”"

"“A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges – which are curled like a paper scroll – have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes – some larger than a silver dollar – let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending – but not holes.”[15] "

"II-B Testimony from Other Professionals:

Leslie Robertson, a member of the engineering firm that designed the World Trade Center, said 21 days after the attack: “When we were down at the B1 level, one of the firefighters said, ‘I think you’d be interested in this,’ and they pulled up a big block of concrete and there was a, like a little river of steel, flowing.”[34]
Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health who arrived at Ground Zero September 12, 2001, said: “Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster.”[35]
In late fall 2001, Dr. Alison Geyh of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health reported: “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.”[36
Joe Allbaugh, the Director of FEMA, said in an October 2001 interview on CBS: "It’s just too hot for rescuers to get into [some] areas. So we do not know yet what’s in those areas, other than very hot, molten material.”[37]
Dr. Keith Eaton reported in Structural Engineer: “They showed us many fascinating slides . . . ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster.”
Don Carson, a hazardous materials expert from the National Operating Engineers Union, said six weeks after 9/11: “There are pieces of steel being pulled out from as far as six stories underground that are still cherry red.”[38]

II-C. Testimony from Other Credible Witnesses:

Greg Fuchek, vice president of a company that supplied computer equipment used to identify human remains, reported that “sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel.”[39]

Sarah Atlas, of New Jersey’s Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue, arrived at Ground Zero on September 11 and reported that “fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet.”[40]
Tom Arterburn, writing in Waste Age, reported that the New York Department of Sanitation removed “everything from molten steel beams to human remains.”[41]

Rebuttal of Official Claims: Summary

1. The claim that no evidence of any molten steel or iron was found in any of the WTC buildings is strongly refuted by three scientific reports, one from a government agency (USGS).

2. John Gross’s claim that “no eyewitnesses said” that there was molten steel (or iron) was strongly and repeatedly contradicted.

3. The claim that molten steel or iron would be irrelevant because it could have been produced in the combustion pile: This would mean claiming, with no scientific evidence and no plausibility, that combustion in an oxygen-starved pile of rubbish could have heated steel to at least 1500°C (2800° F).

4. With regard to the NIST claim that molten steel or iron is “irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse” because “it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers [including WTC 7] were standing”: Given the fact that the molten steel or iron in the debris could not have been produced without incendiaries or explosives, the presence of either of them indicates that some of the steel was melted before, or during, the final moments of the collapses."

Architects & Engineers for Truth! [View all] wildbilln864 May 2014 OP
Experts? A group of people who can't figure out 911 given 13 years, are not experts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #1
oh yeah, you figured it out though right!? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #2
Gage's experts spew nonsense, not a thing is true, or backed with evidence - thermite nuts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #3
your post is full of... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #4
can't pick a claim to support superbeachnut Jun 2014 #5
i don't have to prove anything ... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #6
No body is able to back up the claims; why superbeachnut Jun 2014 #7
well that settles it then. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #8
Better as failed speculation, than Creative superbeachnut Jun 2014 #9
Gage pulls in 500k!? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #10
agree, Gage has no evidence for his claims superbeachnut Jun 2014 #11
sounds like you're on a mission. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #13
911 truth followers have no clue what evidence is, experts spew delusional claims based on opinions superbeachnut Jun 2014 #32
yep... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #33
911 truth fails to present evidence, video remains a fantasy based on ignorance superbeachnut Jun 2014 #34
wrong again! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #35
Gage's experts believe in fantasy, have no evidence - a fact 911 truth followers ignore superbeachnut Jun 2014 #36
I don't even read your posts anymore.. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #37
The video is full of nonsense superbeachnut Jun 2014 #38
flying jets doesn't mean shit! So did Bush! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #39
flying jets, Aluminum jet, melts in fire, Bush trained same base as I, can you fly supersonic jets superbeachnut Jun 2014 #41
that's not aluminum and.... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #42
Yep, it was a aluminum, eyewitnesses saw melted aluminum, experts agree superbeachnut Jun 2014 #43
all you have is opinion but wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #44
why so afraid? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #45
Afraid. 911 truth is not about truth, it is about spreading anti-government lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #46
It's about we want an investigation! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #47
If it was LIHOP William Seger Jun 2014 #48
william you're not trying to weed out shit! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #50
Do you or do you not understand... William Seger Jun 2014 #71
What I do not understand is why I cannot see your posts now since... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #72
The most pathetic thing about the "truth movement"... William Seger Jun 2014 #73
why aren't your post showing up since I blocked beachnuts? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #75
lies, anti-government lies of our government doing 911, doing the murders superbeachnut Jun 2014 #49
why the BS propaganda guys? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #51
cherry picking lies to support lies from experts spreading lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #61
opinions, lies, hearsay, fantasy, Claims the Boston bombers would believe superbeachnut Jun 2014 #12
Um... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #14
9/11 Lies by paranoid conspiracy theorists, Gage calls them experts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #15
from your fema.gov link wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #16
Corroded steel, not melted - reading comprehension... Chemical Engineering required for some superbeachnut Jun 2014 #18
either keep up or learn english. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #20
Debunked 911 truth's melted steel claims, but failed to realize it, steel can't melt at 1000C superbeachnut Jun 2014 #74
steel beam 1000C, not melted, you debunked the video. Good job superbeachnut Jun 2014 #26
also: wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #17
wow, where is the Pulitzer Prize for this one superbeachnut Jun 2014 #19
so what temperature do you think... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #21
911 truth followers always ask questions, never able to answer them superbeachnut Jun 2014 #22
again you avoid a simple question. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #24
why can't 911 truth answer questions they ask? no knowledge superbeachnut Jun 2014 #25
Expert not an engineer, has no clue, not an expert on fire and structural engineering superbeachnut Jun 2014 #23
Gage's claims debunked - 911 truth video proves 911 truth has no evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #27
i can only guess wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #28
false flag fantasy superbeachnut Jun 2014 #29
blah blah, yada yada! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #31
9/11: explosives evidence Experts Lie about 9/11 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #30
Why no Pulitzer Prize for this breaking news (lol) - Pulitzer, not for liars superbeachnut Jun 2014 #40
Ummmm.... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #52
What's this? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #53
Steel corroded in fire, not melted, 911 truth experts lied due to ignorance, hate of their country superbeachnut Jun 2014 #59
steel corroded in fire!? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #60
Laughing at science, 911 truth's only product, laughing at the lies they spread about 911 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #62
projecting again I see. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #64
psssst! this here: wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #65
That's why the NIST addressed it in their subsequent report. AZCat Jun 2014 #67
How thermite is used... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #54
Not thermite explosives, and a cut made on WTC steel after 911 - no evidence yet superbeachnut Jun 2014 #58
Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Md., said molten steel was wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #55
Lots of cognitive dissonance in the USA over 911. I don't for a minute buy snappyturtle Jun 2014 #56
which liberty was taken away - why can't anyone support a claim in the video with engineering superbeachnut Jun 2014 #57
I think you meant to say, which liberties. Many. Were you even alive on 911? snappyturtle Jun 2014 #63
There are lots of engineers who support the impact and fire cause of collapse. AZCat Jun 2014 #66
can't list the liberties lost, can't supply evidence to support AE911T lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #69
thank you snappyturtle and I agree completely. n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #68
projection of cognitive dissonance by 911 truth faith based followers: 911 truth has no evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #70
OK then WovenGems Jun 2014 #76
can be done! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #77
And if you mean "Occam's razor", not occums... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #78
And if you mean "hypothesis" William Seger Jun 2014 #81
you mean the one where... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #82
911 truth has to have a complex plot, not a simple one superbeachnut Jun 2014 #79
The wait WovenGems Jun 2014 #80
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