LGBT

1. Prism: "It wasn't said here on DU...But it was said by a poster on DU who is now the Pillar of the Community. Sick of it."

The statement was said in response to the OP in which Prism wrote about an incident involving a DUer on another site in 2004. Twice juries have seen this pronouncement as inappropriate... ie. calling out a DUer... "I have mentioned the poster by name and in context, twice, and both times the jury admonished me for the horror of it all."

2. I stated: ""Shit stirring" is not helpful. If someone said that in the past and they don't say it currently, if they have not uttered words of intolerance, then they currently have a place at DU. If they utter such things in the future, use the alert function and label it as a TOS violation. If the jury hides it, the MIRT will look at the poster's past. If they do not, the Admins will have a crack at it.

This is the process we have at DU to deal with these type of issues. We do not need people taking it upon themselves to call out DUers for any and all past mistakes. There is a process, please use that process."

I said this because of two factors. One because I'm tired of the "call out threads" regardless of who is doing/being called out. It is juvenile to attack people in lieu of discussing issues IMHO. Two, I mention it because, in the past the OP cites two instances where the jury has decided that the post was unacceptable. Posting it again, with the same agenda, but omitting the name of the person, is still fishing for the same end, again IMHO. I stated that we have a process to deal with DUers we don't like.

3. Creideiki stated: " "The process" doesn't work...Frequently. Often, even."

4. I stated, defending my previously mention position: "In your opinion. n/t"

5. Both you and Jamastiene reply. You stated: "DU3 is allowing some of these old problems to be discussed for the first time. In the past, mods were told to delete anything awkward or difficult, and LGBT posters on DU were accused of behaving badly when we spoke out against homophobia. There is a common false equivalency applied - gay posters are "just as bad" as the homophobes when we're rude. Never mind that one side has fewer rights than the other. As is typical when minority groups demand their rights, the minorities are blamed for "acting out."


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You're entitled to your words, but they don't address what I said. I never said ISSUES can't be discussed on DU3. Ever. I have never said that gay posters are "just as bad" when rude. I've only said that we should argue issues instead of backhanding people. Does bashing whoever this person is actually solve anything? It pushes them further into their perceived views. We don't even know if that is currently their views. Our evidence of this comes from a post in another forum in 2004 that isn't even cited! The OP even states that they are now considered a pilar of the DU community. Does this not mean that they haven't shown themselves to be a homophobe in their time here?

I put myself in this person's place... If I came across this thread and it was alluding to something I said eight years ago in another place, how would I react? I would be very hurt! I would feel judged, possible for a POV that I may not continue to hold. I would feel very negatively against the OP and those who tell them that I am unforgivable! Such a thing is very divisive! I might even feel, if I were putting myself in this person's place, that maybe LGBT people are bad people after all... (again I say this pretending to see it from their point of view, and do not at all believe this myself)... In the least, this sort of stuff would not help me be welcoming and loving of LGBT people, which is what I (as myself) think is what should be done. We should reach out and shine a light on ignorance and help people come around if they are willing to try.

I don't know this person. I don't even care who they are. It is immaterial. The fact is that the OP seems to have an agenda against someone, who is apparently in good standing on DU, based on a post in 2004 on another site by this person. I think this sort of thing, regardless of what the comment was, is inappropriate. Yes, it is my opinion. I believe we should debate issues. I believe the issue itself is worth debate. But I believe that the reason it was brought up was underhanded and inappropriate, that it is "shit-stirring".

Had the post been phrased in a positive way, I would be in full support of its discussion. Would I lock the thread? No. I think my duties as a host and my opinions as an observer can be different, and are in this case. My personal opinion is that the thread hurts the community because it shit stirs and could have been posted differently. My host's opinion is that the discussion is well within the confines of the SOP and that it should be just fine. If there are problems with replies, they should be alerted on.