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LostOne4Ever

(9,611 posts)
11. Let's look at the logic here
Sun Jan 21, 2024, 04:33 PM
Jan 2024

Muslims and Islamic people are generally/statistically anti-lbgt.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_people_and_Islam

Even in the US where Muslims are far more accepting there is a very slight majority view opposed to
LGBT rights.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/muslim/views-about-homosexuality/

They even united to remove the pride flag in one Michigan city:

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/06/15/michigan-lgbtq-pride-flag-ban/

Does this mean that LGBTQ people should be opposed to Muslims rights and civil liberties?

Of course not!

But Bill Maher, who is a giant transphobe (just Google “bill maher, transphobia”) and misogynist, and the author of that article use the same logic to say just that.

This totally ignores that many of the Palestinians getting killed are themselves LGBTQ. It ignores that Israel blackmails lgbt people to spy for them or threaten to out them to their families. That same-sex marriage and trans rights really aren’t things in Israel. That one politician called himself a proud fascist homophobe. That in 2005 fundamentalist Jews, Muslims, and Christian united to rally against lgbt rights in Jerusalem?

https://www.vice.com/en/article/av8b5j/gay-palestinians-are-being-blackmailed-into-working-as-informants

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-my-voters-dont-care-im-a-homophobic-fascist-but-my-word-is-my-word/amp/

https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/christian-jewish-and-muslim-clerics-unite-to-prevent-jerusalem-gay-parade

Even worse, the article conflates opposition to the military action of Israel or support for the people of Palestine with support for Hammas which isn’t true. It is bad faith argument at best and rainbow washing at worst. It is also arguably bigoted against lgbtq people suggesting that the only reason one of us would support a cause is if they support us first. It is also harmful to lgbtq rights on both sides. It makes Palestinian lgbtq people look duplicitous to other Palestinian people further solidifying lgbt opposition in the region while at the same time giving support to Israel’s right wing who want to curtail lgbt rights in general.

This is the view of multiple lgbtq people, groups, and advocates:





https://xtramagazine.com/power/politics/pinkwashing-israel-war-in-gaza-lgbtq-259565

https://truthout.org/articles/lgbtq-voices-are-increasingly-speaking-up-for-palestinians-despite-backlash/

https://www.them.us/story/lgbtq-solidarity-palestine-saed-atshan



Ultimately I rather not have this conflict brought into the lgbt room AT ALL as right now we are facing the possible rise of the most hateful and bigoted Republican Party ever. A party who want to commit full out genocide of trans people and the revocation of all lgbt rights in general. A party who could possibly turn this country into an authoritarian hell hole via project 2025

https://www.advocate.com/news/project-2025-republicans-maga

Not is not the time to divide ourselves!

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I Have a Trans Friend Deep State Witch Jan 2024 #1
I have the same questions nocoincidences Jan 2024 #2
That's the point. nycbos Jan 2024 #5
Chickens for KFC nycbos Jan 2024 #3
Watch the full clip nycbos Jan 2024 #4
Thanks question everything Jan 2024 #6
Team Sanity nycbos Jan 2024 #8
As someone who is trans vercetti2021 Jan 2024 #7
Anyone who values personal liberties and freedom SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #9
They are the leftist version of "Log Cabin Republicans". Behind the Aegis Jan 2024 #10
Let's look at the logic here LostOne4Ever Jan 2024 #11
I am not sure to which "article" you are referring. If the OP, it was not written by Maher question everything Jan 2024 #12
The article I was referring to was the one by Queer Majority LostOne4Ever Jan 2024 #13
There is no logic in your wall of words; only excuses and misdirection. Behind the Aegis Jan 2024 #14
Palestine is region not a group LostOne4Ever Jan 2024 #15
Not wasting my time on these Log Cabin assholes. n/t Behind the Aegis Jan 2024 #16
BTW, Queer Majority is a rightwing anti-trans site LostOne4Ever Jan 2024 #17
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