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Collimator

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60. There seems to be a few people commenting who are caught up in the semantics of. . .
Sun Dec 31, 2023, 08:08 AM
Dec 2023

. . . The literal words of "Why I don't take advice from men" instead of trying to understand the broader truth of what the woman was trying to convey.

If that woman were exiting a building one wintery day just as man (yes, even her father) were entering and that man said, "There's a patch of ice just to the right of the front door; watch your step", I'm sure she would give that information its proper due.

The whole point of the video is that men often give life and career advice to women without considering the everpresent reality of their differing roles in the primal experience of reproduction. Women are the ones who conceive the babies, grow them in their bodies, push them out of their bodies at actual physical risk to their health and lives and then their bodies are primed to keep those helpless infants alive by producing its food. Add that basic biological reality to all the social conditioning and expectations on women regarding the rearing of offspring and you can see that any advice that isn't tied to that essential experiential truth is kind of pointless.

The woman is saying that all the "take risks, tough it out, buckle down, make sacrifices and you, too can succeed in business" rah rah talk that the man is offering does not even consider the near impossibilty of doing all those things while being directly-- that is, literally physically-- responsible for another human being who cannot safely (or legally) be left alone and who can't even feed themselves or take care of their bowels and bladder by themselves. The undeniable, flesh and blood truth is that reproduction itself requires women to "take risks" and "tough it out". The vast majority of women in the world also have to "buckle down" and "make sacrfices" just to get the next generation of human beings to a stage of minimal independence.

Any career advice that can just skip right over all that physically and mentally demanding activity as if it never happens is almost completely useless. That is what the video speaker is trying to share. It's like a marathon champion offering tips about breathing, form and endurance who doesn't see that the person he is talking to happens to be missing the bottom half of one leg and is using crutches. Those challenges are not insurmountable and the person dealing with them can learn to run a marathon, but one can't just ignore them.

Anyone wishing to just skip the preceeding five paragraphs above can come to similar conclusions just by looking up-- then seriously thinking about-- the definitions of the verbs, "to father" and "to mother". A man can father a child and then just walk away into a completely unchanged life. A woman-- or a man for that matter-- who takes on the role of mothering a child is in for an intense committment and a heavy work load that only begins to ease up a decade down the line.

Taking on all that responsibility while trying to make money just to live --to say nothing of trying to build a career and become enormously successful by our current cultural standards-- is an incredibly daunting task. Anyone (male or female) trying to be glib about this issue isn't worth listening to.

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9 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

I couldn't agree more. Blue Dawn Dec 2023 #1
Well MOMFUDSKI Dec 2023 #2
Very sensible! Nictuku Dec 2023 #3
These short videos are awesome. love_katz Dec 2023 #59
i've wished for a wife many, many times. mopinko Dec 2023 #4
Me too, I was a career woman, raising a child, husband was working as well but mostly I Bev54 Dec 2023 #21
An enlightening book was published in 2001, called "The Price of Motherhood." ariadne0614 Dec 2023 #70
she doesnt know the facts so she justs makes stuff up lol. not taking advice from her nt msongs Dec 2023 #5
Apparently, you weren't listening... GiqueCee Dec 2023 #7
her word choice indicates she doesnt know facts. she keeps saying "probably" which indicates msongs Dec 2023 #9
She knows the kid is not with the dad. Demobrat Dec 2023 #8
He doesn't fill in the details. Concerning his own child. I wonder why? paleotn Dec 2023 #10
I was in the corporate workforce for 34 years. I cannot count how many career talks I've heard or stories I've read. MLAA Dec 2023 #36
I had a boss once who brought his kid to work Demobrat Dec 2023 #39
Out of curiosity, what century are you living in? Orrex Dec 2023 #74
Oh, the msongs is living in this century drmeow Dec 2023 #76
I had a guy tell me you're a nice girl but you should get married and have kids being in the finance business kimbutgar Dec 2023 #6
This Casey fellow is obviously an asshole. So the TikTok'er views men's advice as poor b/c that guy is an asshole? TeamProg Dec 2023 #11
"That is sexist to it's core." Yeah, no. demmiblue Dec 2023 #13
Voila! I rest my case. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #14
Lol! demmiblue Dec 2023 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #19
Yawnnnnnn niyad Dec 2023 #64
Lol! demmiblue Dec 2023 #92
And you make our case! niyad Dec 2023 #63
I think you have missed the message. Bev54 Dec 2023 #22
The message was pretty clear. The TikTok'er is bitter about something. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #25
Naw, it's pretty clear a certain poster is bitter about something canuckledragger Dec 2023 #34
Right over your head. Bev54 Dec 2023 #37
Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #41
And now you make the all-or-nothing fallacy Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #45
I agree, so to say "I no longer take men's advice" as the TikTok'er post is absurd. And to agree TeamProg Dec 2023 #47
What's absurd is you twisting ordinary statements into all or nothing. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #50
The TikTok'er was 'all or nothing' and posters here agreed with that.. so.. TeamProg Dec 2023 #51
Your thanks are insincere, as is your line of argument. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #55
It's basically the mercuryblues Dec 2023 #58
Why are you taking this so personally? canuckledragger Dec 2023 #46
Well, I wish I hadn't taken his advice. Turns out it was misogynistic. SharonAnn Dec 2023 #54
I don't know if it is that you "don't understand, " "can't understand," or REFUSE to try to understand... hlthe2b Dec 2023 #82
Yep, you missed it. Bev54 Dec 2023 #35
Please see my reply above. MLAA Dec 2023 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #40
Regarding career advice in the late 70s, I was wise not to take my loving dad's advice. MLAA Dec 2023 #42
And you double down on your all-or-nothing illogic Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #44
It's always interesting when a guy refers to women as "females" Orrex Dec 2023 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #81
It's also interesting that you think your continued posting improves your credibility Orrex Dec 2023 #84
Good call there! AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #89
Your logic fails. She is not basing it on ONE guy. :eyes: . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #43
You mean like patriarchal men do? niyad Dec 2023 #61
This woman speaks for me. WhiteTara Dec 2023 #12
Preach it!!! niyad Dec 2023 #65
Bet it's good. I don't do X. Joinfortmill Dec 2023 #16
Neither do I, except to cost Musk. I block his cookies, his ads, his trackers Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #20
That was really good and really true Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #17
As a man, I've never dispensed unsolicited advice to a woman EYESORE 9001 Dec 2023 #18
My wife taught me early on never to give her advice SouthernDem4ever Dec 2023 #23
Yes! Wild blueberry Dec 2023 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #26
Repeating your mistake doesn't make it truer. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #53
Excellent rant! tblue37 Dec 2023 #27
I take my wife's advice. I'm not stupid. twodogsbarking Dec 2023 #28
Yep. I was fortunate enough to work for one of the world's largest corporations from 1973 until 2003. sinkingfeeling Dec 2023 #29
I started working for a company in 82 that was often touted as the best company to work for during the 70s-90s MLAA Dec 2023 #33
Preach Sister! maspaha Dec 2023 #30
Truth is, I don't see many men getting a word... TreasonousBastard Dec 2023 #31
Really? Studies show that men talk more than women in meetings, groups, and converstations. A LOT more! SharonAnn Dec 2023 #56
Having been to many, many meetings and... TreasonousBastard Dec 2023 #57
Your post is completely contradicted by. your post, and every study on the niyad Dec 2023 #67
So spot on. She speaks for me. onecaliberal Dec 2023 #32
"Why would we take advice from people trying to control and kill us?" Say what??? TeamProg Dec 2023 #48
JFC, have you NOT been paying attention to what is happening??? Never niyad Dec 2023 #68
Have you not read / heard about women fighting against abortion even if it could kill the mother? TeamProg Dec 2023 #79
You know what? My attempts at establishing relationships by being a supportive, respectful, nice guy have left me NBachers Dec 2023 #49
I feel sad that your attempts to be supportive, respectful and nice haven't been enough. ariadne0614 Dec 2023 #72
Tbh, you deserve absolutely nothing for being supportive, respectful, and nice. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #93
Thanks for telling me that I deserve nothing. happy new year. NBachers Dec 2023 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #52
There seems to be a few people commenting who are caught up in the semantics of. . . Collimator Dec 2023 #60
I'd rather blame a system of patriarchal conditioning, than the oblivious behavior of individual men. ariadne0614 Dec 2023 #66
Excellent post. Thank you. niyad Dec 2023 #71
Preach it, Sister!!! niyad Dec 2023 #62
Having read through this very enlightening thread, I see that the anguished "but what niyad Dec 2023 #69
Counting my dad, 75 years of experience loving a man here and there makes me inclined to err ariadne0614 Dec 2023 #73
Here's a link to the clip on her page: Orrex Dec 2023 #75
I take very little unsolicited advice from me or women. LakeArenal Dec 2023 #77
The double standard is alive and well dlk Dec 2023 #78
Double Standard, Indeed. Collimator Dec 2023 #85
Excellent post. MontanaMama Dec 2023 #83
Exactly! Tumbulu Dec 2023 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Dec 2023 #87
Ok I watched the video. Lucky Luciano Dec 2023 #88
Absolutely on target. scarletlib Dec 2023 #90
I can't count how many times a guy mansplained something I know better than them to me. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #91
The mother gets all the responsibility Demobrat Jan 2024 #95
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