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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
24. post 19 was sent to a jury
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 06:24 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1139&pid=1927

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This poster has been on a crusade against the LBGT group ever since she was blocked from posting there. The line about "LBGT-oriented feminists" is a reference to an epic battle in the Fem group started when iverglas tried to include such language in the Feminists' group SoP.

... the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I will not vote to hide a post simply because a poster does not like its respectfully phrased contents. If this alerter does not like Meta type discussions they can trash the thread or place the poster they are concerned with on ignore. The jury mechanism is not meant to be an organ of censorship, it is intended to uphold the Community Standards not to squelch dissent.

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: just here to cause trouble and hi-jack the thread

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: There are some unresolved issues that are specific to that group, I am not part of that group and cop out with a "let them handle there own business" chip. I think discussion may help work things out, censorship certainly will not. It is for them to decide which way to go, there were no overt insults or nasty remarks in the post so I can't (won't) hide it for that reason.

Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I think anyone on DU who decides to defend a potential opening for bigotry does so at their own peril; however I don't think this post does more than perhaps dredge up old arguments. It does not appear disruptive in the strict sense; it is not particularly rude or hurtful; it *is* perhaps insensitive, but only to someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of DU's past flamewars. If the poster here crosses the line into defending bigots -- and I'm not convinced that day can be avoided -- she can be removed from the discourse for having violated the site's Terms of Service. In the meantime, I see little advantage to hiding this post.


I found it especially amusing that a HOST of this bleeding group, me, who had already posted in the thread requesting that the group's statement of purpose be observed, was described as "just here to cause trouble and hi-jack the thread". Very funny.

And the juror who doesn't think the day can be avoided when I cross the line into defending bigots? Get a hobby. Something other than posting crap about DUers you don't know (or hm, do know but don't care to portray accurately?).


This thread in the Feminists group has now had over 1000 views.

All, I am sure, from committed feminists eager to read other feminists' news and views.


The thread in Help & Meta-discussion has gone as might have been expected:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/124041878

and I do hope more members of this group will take a look.


This vendetta against the women who have been committed to the Feminists group since it was created goes from bizarre to more bizarre.

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How do you discuss it? For starters, don't refer to people who disagree with you... TheWraith Feb 2012 #1
Excuse me, but this is not a new subject boston bean Feb 2012 #2
are you man or woman. and yes, it matters. i put my gender on profile seabeyond Feb 2012 #6
I think that is a fair question to. boston bean Feb 2012 #9
Amen! lillypaddle Feb 2012 #16
please read the post now pinned at the top of this group iverglas Feb 2012 #17
please read the post now pinned at the top of this group iverglas Feb 2012 #18
I'm just going to start adding little co-host reminders to threads iverglas Feb 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Feb 2012 #5
my apologies for causing confusion! iverglas Feb 2012 #7
I just deleted, cause i thought that I had to have been confused. boston bean Feb 2012 #8
i stole your picture. did you see? it says it all. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #11
The one of the women battered and the b word? boston bean Feb 2012 #12
yes. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #14
I'd like to see it too Remember Me Feb 2012 #26
here ya go iverglas Feb 2012 #27
Thank you. That's definitely getting bookmarked and saved. Remember Me Feb 2012 #34
"not quite so tired" me, too.... cause it matters an it is a good subject. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #10
Also, I'm a bit tired too boston bean Feb 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Feb 2012 #4
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #15
I'd like group members to take a look at Feldspar's hidden post iverglas Feb 2012 #19
what is interesting is it is the second gay woman kicked off du, thru our forum, not by us.. seabeyond Feb 2012 #21
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #22
thank you iverglas Feb 2012 #23
AND THE VENDETTA MARCHES ON - SEE POST 42 BELOW iverglas Feb 2012 #25
post 19 was sent to a jury iverglas Feb 2012 #24
Some one -- or some small group, perhaps -- is having a GREAT DEAL of fun Remember Me Feb 2012 #28
EDITED - so how many here agree with this characterization of this thread and this group? iverglas Feb 2012 #29
EDITED for Gormy Cuss and Neoma Wednesday 2:30 pm (re post 46) iverglas Feb 2012 #30
how goeth the war? iverglas Feb 2012 #31
I've got a suggestion, and it's aimed at everyone, including our vindictive alerter... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #40
absolutely violet.... it has got to stop. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #41
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #42
IMHO, there's not one vindictive alerter, there are many alerters acting in good faith. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #46
What's this 'cheering section' stuff? You know what I think would help? redqueen Feb 2012 #47
Cheering sections support only one team. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #48
Thanks. redqueen Feb 2012 #49
I apologize for derailing the thread a little with my previous post iverglas Feb 2012 #20
I suspect this is a marketing issue. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #32
i think i am going to think about your post, lol. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #33
I think your starting assumptions are naïve. laconicsax Feb 2012 #35
thank you for that iverglas Feb 2012 #36
My starting assumptions could be naive, but I lean toward the vocal minority "theory." ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #37
We need to address the root of the problem before we can make any progress. laconicsax Feb 2012 #38
Except perhaps for a few trolls, the FR folks self identify as anti-Democrat. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #39
I generally adhere to your approach iverglas Feb 2012 #43
I agree with your post, but I would like to add that we ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #44
Should we let the women decide? Remember Me Feb 2012 #50
Feel free to do whatever you wish. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #51
Yeah, well -- Remember Me Feb 2012 #52
To be perfectly honest, I brushed you off because you hurt my feelings. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #53
I'm glad you won't give up defending feminism maddezmom Feb 2012 #54
Thanks, that means a lot. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #58
Well, it sounds like you have some very good credentials Remember Me Feb 2012 #55
"I invite you to PM me when you're doing the Goddess's work in some thread on DU, will you?" ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #57
Okay Remember Me Feb 2012 #60
I just thought you were telling me to go away with your first reply. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #61
Your input is wanted Lisa D Feb 2012 #56
Thanks, that means a lot. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #59
I don't mean to be an ass, but I am discussing this with another DUer, ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #45
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