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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
25. AND THE VENDETTA MARCHES ON - SEE POST 42 BELOW
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 07:23 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

WE MUST REALLY BE PROUD THAT OUR FORUM IS SO POPULAR.

But hey -- talk about your SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECIES, eh????


At Wed Feb 8, 2012, 11:34 AM, an alert was sent on the following post:

one more gone

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This entire post is nothing but a screed against DU lesbians, and to a lesser exten t the guys in the LGBT Group. This poster has a fixation of the lesbians who post her for some reason. What she is saying is hateful and homophobic and horrible. She also attacks most of teh rest of DU, and also teh Admins. I honestly have no idea why her meltdown the last month attacking lesbians has happened, except for her blocking from the LGBT Group, but this latest screed breaks the TOS in about a million ways. I suspect that all the gay women on DU reading this are very shaken b this public loathing directed at them. Thanks.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Feb 8, 2012, 11:43 AM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: The post is an attack on many DU groups, including admins. I want to know, why does this person continue to be here if she's so unhappy with DU?

Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: The post is appalling. It is completely inappropriate, disruptive and a vicious attack on the GLBT community. It most definitely meets the Community Standards criteria for hiding the post and is a TOS violation as well.

Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: This poster has a long history of posting screeds like this against anyone who has the temerity to confront her on various issues. Many of her posts are just like this one, filled with bile, venom, and acid. She repeatedly calls other members liars, and uses terms connected with feces to describe other members.
She has previously gone so far as to directly confront Admins, and tell them how to run their own website. She has done the same thing here. Why she has never been Tombstoned, or had her posting privileges revoked is beyond me.
Not only should this latest screed be Hidden, she should have her Posting Privilege revoked immediately.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's a rant.



You know WHY you "honestly" have no idea why this meltdown happened, No.1 Fan? And I'll even grant you "honestly" in that case -- because the reason why you have no idea why it happened is that IT NEVER HAPPENED.

What happened was a concerted attack on the Feminists group by a particular element of the lesbian community, who DO NOT represent all the lesbians of the world OR EVEN all the lesbians at DU. And I and other feminists resisted it. And we seemed to have won the ground of this forum, although we won no protection at this website otherwise. And that just galled and galled and galled, and this forum has been under surveillance ever since, and once it strayed an inch from "ew, what a horrible sexist commercial", the chink was there and the attack was relaunched.

Why do you hate women, No.1 Fan and your friends? Why has your circle become so fixated on vilifying and destroying a group, feminists at DU and in the real world, who you claim should adopt every item of your agenda and take you to its bosom? Bad strategy, I think; don't you?

On your specific theory -- why do you never mention that I was blocked from the LGBT group because I had the temerity to post there in reply to a ... non-factual ... call-out of myself? That I was personally targeted, for some reason, out of all the people who objected to the cattle-market treatment of women by heterosexual male DUers in the thread about the lesbian beauty-contest contestant? That there was a reason why the poster in question targeted me -- well, not a reason, but the fact that her vicious misrepresentation of me had started at least three years earlier? That it all stems from the campaign of the charming "sex-positive" feminists to oust real feminists from the Feminists forum way back then, which they resumed when DU3 was created?

Why? Because you can't carry the day by honest discourse, by sincere exchange, by making your own cases in the way cases are made in civil circles?

Just asking.

Juror #3 asks "why does this person continue to be here if she's so unhappy with DU?"

Well, Juror #3, because somebody's gotta do it. Somebody's gotta stand up for what is right, and for the victims of the hatred of women that permeates this website, and of course the world. Somebody's gotta be willing to get kicked repeatedly by people who should by rights fall over because of their lack of a leg to stand on, but manage to get propped up by the swarm of buddies who rush in to prosecute the war. I don't give a fuck, you see? I've been on the receiving end of those kicks for a very long time, in all the areas of the struggle for social justice I have been active in for decades, and I realized long ago that I didn't actually feel them. So I'd just stand in front of anybody else the kicks were aimed at, who might feel them more, until they were ready. Look how it's worked here. You all have the perfect target: somebody who is not felled by the blows, who does not even lie down and play dead. You all can just keep kicking over and over, and I don't give a flying fuck. It just provides the opportunity to hold you all up to the light for what you are. Schoolyard bullies who know exactly what you are doing.

Many others have been too sickened, although not actually hurt, by the goings on to remain. Many, many others. Not just feminists. Progressives of all varieties. ("Progressive" means something; it is not a new-fangled word for the insipid self-interested "liberal".) This is not the DU where people with intelligence and knowledge could share information and experience. That DU died years ago. This is the Jerry Springer show. People who won't look in a mirror, couldn't bear it if they did, throwing stones at people they know are better.

And at this point, they have won. They have taken this battlefield. They have taken DU for the misogynists, the gun militants,* the free-speech provocateurs, the right wing in all its outcroppings. Sadly for them, they probably think this means something.

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* I see I missed Juror #5 when adding gun militants to my juror exclusion list, which I never did get around to paying much attention to. That thing about telling admins how to run the website? That's all about my ATA posts that resulted in the tombstoning of three right-wing cretins in the Guns forum who had been posting material to make the case that the Obama administration deliberately engineered the sales of guns to Mexican drug cartels that were used in untold numbers of killings in Mexico ... to drum up support for more gun control. Talk about yer loony but really blatantly right-wing conspiracy theories, eh? But I was the only Guns poster to take exception to it, and to bring it to the administrators' attention, with the absolutely proper result. "Why she has never been Tombstoned, or had her posting privileges revoked is beyond me" is the lament that can be found everywhere on the internet where the gun militant faction of the right wing natters about me. Just fyi and all.

Despised by the right wing, reviled by ... well, whoever it is who is prosecuting this vendetta. Funny, eh?
How do you discuss it? For starters, don't refer to people who disagree with you... TheWraith Feb 2012 #1
Excuse me, but this is not a new subject boston bean Feb 2012 #2
are you man or woman. and yes, it matters. i put my gender on profile seabeyond Feb 2012 #6
I think that is a fair question to. boston bean Feb 2012 #9
Amen! lillypaddle Feb 2012 #16
please read the post now pinned at the top of this group iverglas Feb 2012 #17
please read the post now pinned at the top of this group iverglas Feb 2012 #18
I'm just going to start adding little co-host reminders to threads iverglas Feb 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Feb 2012 #5
my apologies for causing confusion! iverglas Feb 2012 #7
I just deleted, cause i thought that I had to have been confused. boston bean Feb 2012 #8
i stole your picture. did you see? it says it all. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #11
The one of the women battered and the b word? boston bean Feb 2012 #12
yes. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #14
I'd like to see it too Remember Me Feb 2012 #26
here ya go iverglas Feb 2012 #27
Thank you. That's definitely getting bookmarked and saved. Remember Me Feb 2012 #34
"not quite so tired" me, too.... cause it matters an it is a good subject. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #10
Also, I'm a bit tired too boston bean Feb 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Feb 2012 #4
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #15
I'd like group members to take a look at Feldspar's hidden post iverglas Feb 2012 #19
what is interesting is it is the second gay woman kicked off du, thru our forum, not by us.. seabeyond Feb 2012 #21
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #22
thank you iverglas Feb 2012 #23
AND THE VENDETTA MARCHES ON - SEE POST 42 BELOW iverglas Feb 2012 #25
post 19 was sent to a jury iverglas Feb 2012 #24
Some one -- or some small group, perhaps -- is having a GREAT DEAL of fun Remember Me Feb 2012 #28
EDITED - so how many here agree with this characterization of this thread and this group? iverglas Feb 2012 #29
EDITED for Gormy Cuss and Neoma Wednesday 2:30 pm (re post 46) iverglas Feb 2012 #30
how goeth the war? iverglas Feb 2012 #31
I've got a suggestion, and it's aimed at everyone, including our vindictive alerter... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #40
absolutely violet.... it has got to stop. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #41
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #42
IMHO, there's not one vindictive alerter, there are many alerters acting in good faith. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #46
What's this 'cheering section' stuff? You know what I think would help? redqueen Feb 2012 #47
Cheering sections support only one team. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #48
Thanks. redqueen Feb 2012 #49
I apologize for derailing the thread a little with my previous post iverglas Feb 2012 #20
I suspect this is a marketing issue. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #32
i think i am going to think about your post, lol. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #33
I think your starting assumptions are naïve. laconicsax Feb 2012 #35
thank you for that iverglas Feb 2012 #36
My starting assumptions could be naive, but I lean toward the vocal minority "theory." ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #37
We need to address the root of the problem before we can make any progress. laconicsax Feb 2012 #38
Except perhaps for a few trolls, the FR folks self identify as anti-Democrat. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #39
I generally adhere to your approach iverglas Feb 2012 #43
I agree with your post, but I would like to add that we ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #44
Should we let the women decide? Remember Me Feb 2012 #50
Feel free to do whatever you wish. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #51
Yeah, well -- Remember Me Feb 2012 #52
To be perfectly honest, I brushed you off because you hurt my feelings. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #53
I'm glad you won't give up defending feminism maddezmom Feb 2012 #54
Thanks, that means a lot. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #58
Well, it sounds like you have some very good credentials Remember Me Feb 2012 #55
"I invite you to PM me when you're doing the Goddess's work in some thread on DU, will you?" ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #57
Okay Remember Me Feb 2012 #60
I just thought you were telling me to go away with your first reply. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #61
Your input is wanted Lisa D Feb 2012 #56
Thanks, that means a lot. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #59
I don't mean to be an ass, but I am discussing this with another DUer, ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #45
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