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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
27. here ya go
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 09:01 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/124041019#post28

boston bean
28. When I see the word typed out on DU as a slur against women, this is the vision that pops into my mind.



I am against using the word as a slur against women and I am trying to make a point as to how some women feel about the derogatory, bigoted, sexist use of the word.


I'll take the liberty of also mentioning my reply, since I think it might speak to you as well:

iverglas
58. and that point was eloquently and painfully made many years ago at DU

by a woman in the original multiple-hundred-post "bitch" thread. (Not one of the "hard-core feminist" crowd, just an ordinary kind of DUer whom I had never even read before, and for whom even adding to the thread was obviously a difficult choice.)

That was her personal experience of the word, and that was indeed the vision that came to her mind when she saw it, only she was looking from the inside out.

That was actually a new perspective to me at the time -- not within my personal experience. My objection was (and of course is) based on the power of language, by its effects on the listeners in terms of how it colours their and society's view, and treatment, of women. The effect of the word on someone against whom it had been used as a direct and integral part of the way she herself was abused -- not to make her angry as it does me, but to make her feel, all over again, the pain and shame and humiliation -- ... I just don't know. Why does someone want to do that?
How do you discuss it? For starters, don't refer to people who disagree with you... TheWraith Feb 2012 #1
Excuse me, but this is not a new subject boston bean Feb 2012 #2
are you man or woman. and yes, it matters. i put my gender on profile seabeyond Feb 2012 #6
I think that is a fair question to. boston bean Feb 2012 #9
Amen! lillypaddle Feb 2012 #16
please read the post now pinned at the top of this group iverglas Feb 2012 #17
please read the post now pinned at the top of this group iverglas Feb 2012 #18
I'm just going to start adding little co-host reminders to threads iverglas Feb 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Feb 2012 #5
my apologies for causing confusion! iverglas Feb 2012 #7
I just deleted, cause i thought that I had to have been confused. boston bean Feb 2012 #8
i stole your picture. did you see? it says it all. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #11
The one of the women battered and the b word? boston bean Feb 2012 #12
yes. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #14
I'd like to see it too Remember Me Feb 2012 #26
here ya go iverglas Feb 2012 #27
Thank you. That's definitely getting bookmarked and saved. Remember Me Feb 2012 #34
"not quite so tired" me, too.... cause it matters an it is a good subject. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #10
Also, I'm a bit tired too boston bean Feb 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Feb 2012 #4
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #15
I'd like group members to take a look at Feldspar's hidden post iverglas Feb 2012 #19
what is interesting is it is the second gay woman kicked off du, thru our forum, not by us.. seabeyond Feb 2012 #21
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #22
thank you iverglas Feb 2012 #23
AND THE VENDETTA MARCHES ON - SEE POST 42 BELOW iverglas Feb 2012 #25
post 19 was sent to a jury iverglas Feb 2012 #24
Some one -- or some small group, perhaps -- is having a GREAT DEAL of fun Remember Me Feb 2012 #28
EDITED - so how many here agree with this characterization of this thread and this group? iverglas Feb 2012 #29
EDITED for Gormy Cuss and Neoma Wednesday 2:30 pm (re post 46) iverglas Feb 2012 #30
how goeth the war? iverglas Feb 2012 #31
I've got a suggestion, and it's aimed at everyone, including our vindictive alerter... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #40
absolutely violet.... it has got to stop. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #41
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #42
IMHO, there's not one vindictive alerter, there are many alerters acting in good faith. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #46
What's this 'cheering section' stuff? You know what I think would help? redqueen Feb 2012 #47
Cheering sections support only one team. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #48
Thanks. redqueen Feb 2012 #49
I apologize for derailing the thread a little with my previous post iverglas Feb 2012 #20
I suspect this is a marketing issue. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #32
i think i am going to think about your post, lol. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #33
I think your starting assumptions are naïve. laconicsax Feb 2012 #35
thank you for that iverglas Feb 2012 #36
My starting assumptions could be naive, but I lean toward the vocal minority "theory." ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #37
We need to address the root of the problem before we can make any progress. laconicsax Feb 2012 #38
Except perhaps for a few trolls, the FR folks self identify as anti-Democrat. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #39
I generally adhere to your approach iverglas Feb 2012 #43
I agree with your post, but I would like to add that we ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #44
Should we let the women decide? Remember Me Feb 2012 #50
Feel free to do whatever you wish. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #51
Yeah, well -- Remember Me Feb 2012 #52
To be perfectly honest, I brushed you off because you hurt my feelings. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #53
I'm glad you won't give up defending feminism maddezmom Feb 2012 #54
Thanks, that means a lot. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #58
Well, it sounds like you have some very good credentials Remember Me Feb 2012 #55
"I invite you to PM me when you're doing the Goddess's work in some thread on DU, will you?" ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #57
Okay Remember Me Feb 2012 #60
I just thought you were telling me to go away with your first reply. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #61
Your input is wanted Lisa D Feb 2012 #56
Thanks, that means a lot. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #59
I don't mean to be an ass, but I am discussing this with another DUer, ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #45
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