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In reply to the discussion: group host / statement of purpose [View all]iverglas
(38,549 posts)115. really? then how about this one?
About three hours ago. In a thread I can't post in.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/124041878#post227
Jamastiene
Response to iverglas (Reply #36)
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:36 PM
227. The phrase "pearl clutching" is another anti-gay slur that you use continually.
You even used it in this very thread. Just admit you are against gay people and be done with it. That is all there is to this. You just hate the GLBT community of DU. Plain and simple. We know it and there is not a damn thing we can do about it other than keep you out of our forum. Sorry you cannot come into the GLBT forum and call us names any more, but you just can't. Get over it and move on. Your petty rampage against us has gone on long enough now. It is getting to the point of being childish at this point.
Response to iverglas (Reply #36)
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:36 PM
227. The phrase "pearl clutching" is another anti-gay slur that you use continually.
You even used it in this very thread. Just admit you are against gay people and be done with it. That is all there is to this. You just hate the GLBT community of DU. Plain and simple. We know it and there is not a damn thing we can do about it other than keep you out of our forum. Sorry you cannot come into the GLBT forum and call us names any more, but you just can't. Get over it and move on. Your petty rampage against us has gone on long enough now. It is getting to the point of being childish at this point.
It's false. The whole lot of it. It is so false that I can't picture somebody saying it out loud without their tongue falling out and their nose hitting the moon. It is so false that the word false just doesn't do it justice, but I have a limited vocabulary, you see.
WE ALL KNOW that "pearl-clutching" is a dismissive right-wing meme used against people who are concerned about some aspect of the public welfare. I have had it used against me by misogynists at this site repeatedly. Has it been used somewhere in the world against somebody in the LGBT community? I wouldn't know. DU is the only place I've ever seen it personally, and I find it staggeringly dumb and rude.
Here's what I actually said in that thread, about an earlier post by the now PPRed poster:
The point was obviously that Women's Rights and Issues was not a "special interest" or "minority interest" in that poster's opinion. The laughable outcome was that a lesbian using the word "queer" as her community uses it had her post deleted as a result. Now there's some pearl-cluthing for ya.
Hell, I can't even spell it right. And anybody who doesn't know that the term was being used as a sarcastic echo of the people who use it to dismiss and silence just isn't paying attention, or is trying hard to preserve plausible deniability.
I doubt that it was even an LGBT person who alerted on the post where she used the word queer.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113811
I am being attacked, repeatedly and dishonestly, around this website. Outright falsehoods are being posted, probably as we speak, to discredit me and this group. Anybody think it might stop if I died tonight? Don't delude yourselves, if so. Unless you actually are willing to fall down and play dead.
Anyone who dares to voice the opinion that women's interests do not always and entirely coincide with the interests of the LGBT community will be a target for the rest of time here. Another Miss California thread will come along, and unless you do all fall down and play dead, it will happen all over again.
Women to the back of the bus, if they aren't being thrown under it.
Have you taken the time to look, VC?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113811
Do you see anyone in that thread objecting even mildly to the 100% shit being flung?
No. The tone is purely congratulatory.
That group is NOT the real-world LGBT community, and does NOT represent any members of that community that I know and have known. NOTHING I have said at DU has been said about anyone or anything outside of DU. And nothing being said about me at DU contains even the seed of a pearl of truth.
Do I want to be refuting every false filthy thing said about me at this website?
I actually do have better things to do with my time. But I really do hold civil discourse in high esteem. There is no civility without honesty, and as long as words that are not honest are permitted here, there is no possibility of civil discourse.
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Gormy Cuss
Jan 2012
#7
Then may we please start over with just a discussion of the SoP and try to get consensus on that?
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2012
#10
I've been around this group for a very long time and I've seen many serious disputes
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2012
#22
It either needs to explicitly limit the statement to discussing those things outside of a feminist
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2012
#27
are you lgbtq? if so you get to decide who is and who is not a homophobe
La Lioness Priyanka
Jan 2012
#37
actually i do think its gender not sex. transwomen for instance, imo belong to the feminist movement
La Lioness Priyanka
Jan 2012
#41
you came into this thread of over 300 posts and made ONE. one post. on mine. it was a jab and you
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#46
i was having a blast at the dinner table tonight talking about all the many groups
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#110
As a lesbian and someone who considers herself a feminist, I have a comment on all this back & forth
justiceischeap
Jan 2012
#52
You can't put the definition of feminism in a box ... but it seems like some can with people
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#54
I think it is a matter of acknowledging whatever privilege one might bear in a conversation or
Starry Messenger
Jan 2012
#62
find one post, ONE post i have not worked at, struggled with to hear the other side. ONE.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#69
but we are not demanding the same. it CAN NOT be just one sided. we cannot say we are putting in
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#72
that is the point. the whole point i have been arguing from post ONE. sides. we have the GD sides
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#82
and i KNOW why you felt people were picking sides. and i know you are trying your best to be
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#105
of course that is a factor. nor have i ever denied any of that nor been unwilling to discuss.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#68
I am also speaking globally as a reply in the subthread to justiceischeap's post.
Starry Messenger
Jan 2012
#75
so... because i am a middle aged women i should readily accept i am a prude, anti sex, asexual,
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#76
so, not only do i have to listen to all these demeaning comments over and over and over from the men
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#78
i ahve asked a couple times how it needs to be worded. i dont care. i havent heard anyone put a
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#91
thank you for talking to me like a person, instead of a caricature. i think that is what i was
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#86
gormy? can you find any posts where this other side (since i have been put on a side i dont want)
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#70
seabeyond, I've argued repeatedly over the first bullet point because I believe it was and is
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2012
#77
i ahev to agree with iverglas. you guys are saying that lioness has issues. i dont get what they
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#90
how do you want it worded so you are comfortable with you. i want your whole body in, not just a
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#96
"I am simply one of many who has had too much of being attacked, and not engaged."
justiceischeap
Jan 2012
#99
do we need to start fresh with a new thread and put this one behind. someone type the SOP,
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#87
Where is this "let's all get along spirit"? How ironic you've forgotten what thread this is.
CreekDog
Feb 2012
#117
Are you serious? I use the phrase 'to call a spade a spade' all the time...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2012
#118
there is NO racial connotation in the term. YOU are creating one. but that is not the facts. nt
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#134
tar baby is and has always been, hands down, a racist term derived as a derogatory
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#157
yes. it is. that is why i didnt use it. and then i did research on spade for spade because of
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#144
yet FACT would argue what some people think. but, i recognize we have had this discussion on our
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#152
and now in other news ... well they ain't gonna have iverglas to kick around for a while!
iverglas
Feb 2012
#178
Depending on where you live, yes, "to call a spade a spade" would have racial overtones
justiceischeap
Feb 2012
#127
we understand. if you will google the saying, you would know that spade for spade was established
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#132
Well, it's a common turn of phrase here in Australia and has been for ages...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2012
#171
calling her a bigot for saying spade a spade. the hostility of your post. false claims
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#125
another point. not about objectionable pageant because every person that had issue stated FIRST
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#151
Well I am one person (but I guess you're saying my opinion doesn't count as your ONE DUer)
CreekDog
Feb 2012
#161
No, but turning up just to have a go at a member of this group sure is...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2012
#172
ummm..... you really did not read iverglas's posts before going into your rant and criticism?
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#130
you didnt address the accusation of bigotry with pearl clutching. you didnt address the people in
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#163
do you have any intention of participating for the group according to the group's stated purpose
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#149
of course I am following the rules and as host, if this discussion is against them
CreekDog
Feb 2012
#159
Point me to the rule that says it's okay to appear out of the blue and abuse a member of this group.
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2012
#173