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76. I can only speak for myself. I have been careful not to say that anything is offensive to me.

Thu Feb 9, 2012, 05:29 PM

Feb 2012

However, I am very uncomfortable with the way that this term FAAB is being used by this poster. The recent context of the OP's posts and her partner's posts add to my discomfort. I think it is fair to ask the poster what they mean. And I must say that her answers have not been very transparent. There seems to be a lot of side-stepping going on and that is adding to my discomfort.

Note that I am careful not to say that I am offended by anything. I am saying that I am uncomfortable, and as a result of my discomfort, I am asking for clarity. The fact that that clarity is not forthcoming is adding to my discomfort, and leading me to ask follow-up questions. Those questions, too, are not being answered in a very transparent way, imo.

This is not a minor matter. This is not a matter of semantics. Real people's lives are literally at stake. Transgender people are murdered and driven to suicide every day.

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Hello My Sisters! [View all] Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 OP

hey.... you. i am glad to see you back. seabeyond Feb 2012 #1

Hello Sea! Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #2

Welcome back. redqueen Feb 2012 #3

I don't understand this phrase Female Assigned At Birth. Why do you identify this way? yardwork Feb 2012 #4

Why not? Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #13

That was my experience too, but I don't identify as Female Assigned at Birth. That's why I'm asking. yardwork Feb 2012 #18

Hello again. Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #20

I don't understand. Other people have identified what for you? yardwork Feb 2012 #24

since we are expected to understand the termonology, and i am trying to learn seabeyond Feb 2012 #33

It's quoted in this thread. See the link here: yardwork Feb 2012 #36

Uh oh... is it because of me? redqueen Feb 2012 #38

ya. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #58

really? female assigned at birth? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #5

Maybe Intersexed? nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #6

Oh! Maybe that's it. I await an explanation. yardwork Feb 2012 #7

what is intersexed, please? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #34

Google is your friend: yardwork Feb 2012 #39

hey... i googled cisgender. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #59

Intersex resource MadrasT Feb 2012 #46

thank you... nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #62

I found the following about the "faab" acronym justiceischeap Feb 2012 #8

hi Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #10

Hi back, just trying to understand. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #11

Ok great! Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #14

"Discussing leading to understanding is a grand idea." redqueen Feb 2012 #16

me too. i like discussing. i like understanding. good stuff. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #37

So, if you identify as female through and through why are you misusing faab? justiceischeap Feb 2012 #84

I was wondering that, too obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #85

Then you are not "FAAB" obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #45

Why Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #9

yes, but your partner basically blamed transpeople for misogyny and you are here La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #12

"congratulations on being cisgender. its nothing special. 99% of people are." redqueen Feb 2012 #15

Hello. Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #17

and in my opinion, your claiming to be FAAB and defending it La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #19

Hello again. Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #21

i am not placing words, i am at best placing intent La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #22

Hello. Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #23

no, not really. in the context of du, your identification cannot have bigotry at its root La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #26

I certainly have Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #30

its analogous to being proud about things in a bigoted way. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #31

What is a "born woman?" Transgender males to females are "born women" too. yardwork Feb 2012 #43

Not on DU. For instance, it is against the rules to identify as Republican here. yardwork Feb 2012 #27

Not really, and for two reasons obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #51

She didn't obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #48

Welcome back maddezmom Feb 2012 #25

Thank you. Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #28

do you consider women who were male at birth as women? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #29

That is a good question. Thanks! Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #35

okay, let me ask you this. do you agree with your partners remarks? maddezmom Feb 2012 #32

Hello again. Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #40

then could you give me your interpretation? maddezmom Feb 2012 #49

You just did speak for your partner, in your OP. I quote: yardwork Feb 2012 #47

Gosh, excellent point, Yardie! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #54

I know a way to resolve this. Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #57

hahaha obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #65

I don't see that happening. But could you offer your interpretation of her comments? maddezmom Feb 2012 #86

You were asked YOUR opinion obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #52

Does anybody see a pattern here? n/t TriMera Feb 2012 #41

yeah a pattern called transphobia. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #42

Yes, but there's more to it. n/t TriMera Feb 2012 #44

I see 2 + 2 + 2 = 6. yardwork Feb 2012 #50

Yes, it is that clear. TriMera Feb 2012 #55

really? is that a promise? n/t Scout Feb 2012 #149

? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #156

"i am so done with this shit." Scout Feb 2012 #157

sorry to disappoint. wait, no i am not. glad, i am annoying you by staying. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #158

yes -- obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #53

What would that be? redqueen Feb 2012 #64

I see three patterns repeating themselves. My metaphor for this is 2 + 2 + 2 = 6. yardwork Feb 2012 #66

I see a pattern here iverglas Feb 2012 #164

Is that what you see? TriMera Feb 2012 #165

spit the mealies out of your mouth iverglas Feb 2012 #167

Most people are talking about Sera_Bellum, who was previously banned muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #168

and to be fair, in a thread in another forum they are stating, possibly implying only seabeyond Feb 2012 #169

they're stating it pretty fucking clearly iverglas Feb 2012 #170

ya, well, my memory thought so, but i didnt want to fabricate or misrepresent or LIE...... seabeyond Feb 2012 #171

muriel is right. This is not about you. TriMera Feb 2012 #173

you would break the rules by having a sock puppet doesn't surprise me seabeyond Feb 2012 #174

Read it again. I never accused her of having a sock puppet. TriMera Feb 2012 #177

no.... you jsut said no wonder people would think you have a sock puppet because of seabeyond Feb 2012 #179

They're not accusations if they are proven. TriMera Feb 2012 #180

there is no proof remember me is a sock puppet for iverglas. is there? did i miss something? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #181

Yes, you did. I am not a part of that conversation. TriMera Feb 2012 #182

she added EDIT on the post. not like she was hiding it, or say, being sneaking and manipulative seabeyond Feb 2012 #183

Do you see my name in that thread? TriMera Feb 2012 #185

why are you here? iverglas Feb 2012 #184

I guess I would like to know why it is TriMera Feb 2012 #186

what "situation"? iverglas Feb 2012 #187

You know what? TriMera Feb 2012 #190

yup, I know what. iverglas Feb 2012 #191

start wherever you want iverglas Feb 2012 #175

In the spirit of Sera Bellum... +1 n/t justiceischeap Feb 2012 #176

Thank you for this excellent, pithy summary of the events. Well stated. yardwork Feb 2012 #178

made it thru half the thread pretty ok. made it thru the rest of the thread and getting seabeyond Feb 2012 #56

Hello Sea Sera_Bellum Feb 2012 #60

You're playing right into the pattern, seabeyond. No disrespect intended. n/t TriMera Feb 2012 #61

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #67

Thank you. I'm not trying to be cryptic... TriMera Feb 2012 #93

Yup obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #97

So you're saying that we shouldn't ask for clarity? We should just reach our own conclusions? yardwork Feb 2012 #63

Well... she used the term 'grilling'... which redqueen Feb 2012 #69

I can only speak for myself. I have been careful not to say that anything is offensive to me. yardwork Feb 2012 #76

You don't have to tell me... redqueen Feb 2012 #77

Thank you. yardwork Feb 2012 #80

Very well put, Yardwork obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #90

yeah, I've learned a lot on this subject recently as well maddezmom Feb 2012 #68

and there are lesbians and gays who are as well La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #70

agreed maddezmom Feb 2012 #73

Jesus Christ... really? redqueen Feb 2012 #75

Yes. In recent days I have received heartbreaking PMs from some transgender people. yardwork Feb 2012 #78

I know for a fact it's not well-understood. redqueen Feb 2012 #87

I was clueless, too. And so are many gay and lesbian people. Being gay doesn't mean we understand. yardwork Feb 2012 #89

Or how many transgendered posters there are obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #92

Yeah, I learned that just yesterday myself. redqueen Feb 2012 #72

I learned a few years ago that Gloria Steinem had achieved some long-lasting notoriety Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #82

Read your article. moriah Feb 2012 #160

i have a kid to get back to. i will come back to this subthread, later. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #71

You also kinda just really insulted MTF obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #74

everything can be discussed on DU.... steer friggin do do.... seabeyond Feb 2012 #79

I actually wrote you a very nice, well meaning post obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #94

I've started to write this, deleted, then started again several times. Please don't curse. yardwork Feb 2012 #103

no cursing either? last night i read a poster tell a host of feminist she couldnt use vampire seabeyond Feb 2012 #108

I think that there has been too much cursing AT people in this forum lately.That's all I'm saying. yardwork Feb 2012 #115

lol. gotcha. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #118

+10,000 La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #81

I've seen that claim before, that they are born with male privilege... redqueen Feb 2012 #83

this is probably fairly accurate. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #88

Right, and an additional layer is they are despised by some straight men obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #95

Very well said. yardwork Feb 2012 #104

About that male privilege... here's the thing... redqueen Feb 2012 #91

And I'd like to point out... that those with male privilege can be staunch feminists justiceischeap Feb 2012 #96

good point La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #99

Good points obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #101

and there are feminist that are adament that a male cannot be a feminist. there are feminist that seabeyond Feb 2012 #102

are there really feminists who believe republicans dont treat their women well? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #109

yes. i get that they are different. hence, me choosing the words i did. seabeyond Feb 2012 #111

Yes, there's a perception that some anti-woman behaviors only exist on *that* side of the aisle. redqueen Feb 2012 #113

redqueen. i am not advocating or suggesting or arguing anything. i am too unfamiliar with the seabeyond Feb 2012 #98

I would be disappointed if you dropped out of this conversation. yardwork Feb 2012 #106

i was not cursing... at her. i was cursing. steer friggin do do.... is saying no way. seabeyond Feb 2012 #112

Ok. That's cool. yardwork Feb 2012 #116

Yes, I see that side of it too... redqueen Feb 2012 #107

I like your thinking and I agree with your points. yardwork Feb 2012 #110

I agree completely. redqueen Feb 2012 #114

Exactly! yardwork Feb 2012 #117

I really urge people to read Jenny Boylan's book obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #100

The book Stone Butch Blues really opened my eyes. yardwork Feb 2012 #105

As usual Texasgal Feb 2012 #119

FAAB = female-assigned at birth redqueen Feb 2012 #120

I think the whole sexuality came up because of the FAAB acronym justiceischeap Feb 2012 #122

FAAB appears to be VERY rarely used obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #128

Yes, that's the only way I've seen it used before organically... redqueen Feb 2012 #153

lol texas seabeyond Feb 2012 #121

Just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention maddezmom Feb 2012 #123

Thanks for posting that. One of the posts that remains alludes to "born woman." yardwork Feb 2012 #124

Just to clarify that for everyone - Sera_Bellum also was "IttakesaVillage_People" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #125

correct, thanks for the clarification maddezmom Feb 2012 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Feb 2012 #130

And was homophobic and transphobic and used an "FAAB"-type slur obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #129

I want to make sure that I understand this correctly: yardwork Feb 2012 #131

That's how I read it... TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #132

And, I bet, also Kitty Herding obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #133

Yes, I think so, plus TAPat was TakesAVillage_People's partner muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #134

OT (but not really): Check out the documentary "Catfish" justiceischeap Feb 2012 #135

That's how I'm reading this too. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #136

Well, there's the whole damn problem right there. I mean. Really. yardwork Feb 2012 #137

Yup... TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #140

Whoa obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #126

my head is spinning... boston bean Feb 2012 #138

I also find the first sentence in the OP odd obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #139

I know. The 3 faces of eve... TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #141

And Jimmy on "Seinfeld" obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #142

...and Jimmy... TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #144

Dick Nixon used to refer to himself as Dick Nixon. yardwork Feb 2012 #147

Oh yeah... TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #143

Don't forget, Sybil was recently exposed as a fake. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #145

I read the "expose" book obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #146

Something to read during your morning coffee break obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #148

i remember that. i stayed out of it. but, i kinda liked that argument. seabeyond Feb 2012 #150

Weird... TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #151

Is Feldspar claiming to be Weightlifting Lady in that thread? yardwork Feb 2012 #152

Unclear... TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #154

I don't know -- I just thought the thread was interesting obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #155

I share your interest. Very interested, I am. yardwork Feb 2012 #159

It is ironic, isn't it. :) nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #161

no, i think they are saying they know weightlifting lady La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #162

I agree. If it's the weightlifting lady I know, then this poster is not her. yardwork Feb 2012 #163

Yes. Vanje Feb 2012 #166

did anybody happen to notice this bit? iverglas Feb 2012 #172

I have read this thread with Remember Me Feb 2012 #188

Hosts are limited in what we can do. laconicsax Feb 2012 #189

actually, hosts can ban users at whim iverglas Feb 2012 #192

There's a big difference between can and should. laconicsax Feb 2012 #193

And mine wasn't? Remember Me Feb 2012 #194

and now the OP has been PPR'd maddezmom Feb 2012 #195

Whoa obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #196

Glad to see that EarlG made the correct decision on this one. n/t justiceischeap Feb 2012 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Remember Me Feb 2012 #198

the OP poster has been tos'ed. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #199