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In reply to the discussion: It’s Time For No-Wave Feminism [View all]
 

seabeyond

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5. i think this is where presumptions and misconceptions come in
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:16 PM
Feb 2012

and i would love the opportunity to say, clearly and with precise words that matter. because i am picking my words for specific meaning.

i think a woman has the right to make her choices, too. absolutely. no quibble and seesawing on that at all. i am emphatic, that women have that right.

i have been known to talk about prostitution, stripping and porn. you never hear me say they do not have the right to do it. what i do discuss is the effects on society, our men, our women, our children. our society. i understand there are all kinds of reasons a woman will make these choices. all of who she is, is not this choice. not even a part of who she is, is these choices. it is something she does, not who she is.

i really wanted to clear that up.

the beauty pageant? the only issue i had in that whole thing was men putting a number on that woman. and what pissed me off most was a couple of the asshole men who gave her a low number. and was a real who the fuck are you, to put a number on this woman, like this. that .... is what pissed me off.

the only other comment i made was..... yea, a gay woman broke that ceiling.

but that is where the importance of what you are doing, is. we have to actually listen. and instead of saying, they are anti porn, or anti stripper..... understand the grey of the issue. that it isnt about the individual and the choices made, but the reality of the effects on our society that we are discussing. the argument we will always have is it is not taking a choice away and really, not judging that person, though i know that is a really tough concept people will not accept. my position is not being quiet about how it effects us all.

so, how is this, fun? i think so. i see wonderful opportunity. in differing views, that may not be that different. or maybe they are.

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It’s Time For No-Wave Feminism [View all] justiceischeap Feb 2012 OP
Gee, I learned something new. New wave or old wave or post feminists. I never thought of it that southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #1
This will take trust, and calm, and a thick skin seabeyond Feb 2012 #2
I totally agree... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #3
Thank you and you're welcome. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #4
i think this is where presumptions and misconceptions come in seabeyond Feb 2012 #5
My thinking goes along similar lines... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #7
and what I see is self-interest iverglas Feb 2012 #50
I'm going to comment here... redqueen Feb 2012 #55
Thanks for your well-thought out reply. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #56
Understood redqueen Feb 2012 #57
I'm sorry, after all the animus expressed over the last however many days Remember Me Feb 2012 #6
It should be offensive Remember Me justiceischeap Feb 2012 #8
It isn't unique to women, or feminism. redqueen Feb 2012 #9
I understand it isn't unique to women or feminism justiceischeap Feb 2012 #10
I can HONESETLY say that women are no different from men in that regard Remember Me Feb 2012 #11
You're avoiding/ignoring the point justiceischeap Feb 2012 #12
And one could also argue Remember Me Feb 2012 #42
Justice is cheap and goes to the highest bidder justiceischeap Feb 2012 #43
You know, it wasn't meant as a put down Remember Me Feb 2012 #44
Nor did I take it as a put down justiceischeap Feb 2012 #45
I have issue with it iverglas Feb 2012 #51
agree with this article maddezmom Feb 2012 #13
Thank you for taking the time to read it justiceischeap Feb 2012 #14
I've be doing a lot of reading maddezmom Feb 2012 #38
Great article! Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #15
I think that happens to most adults justiceischeap Feb 2012 #17
because someone disagrees, does not mean they are fools though, necessarily. seabeyond Feb 2012 #19
Thanks sea, but I didn't say that justiceischeap Feb 2012 #25
Yes. We stand together or we fall alone. yardwork Feb 2012 #16
Gotta love a "Lost" reference justiceischeap Feb 2012 #18
I wasn't! Help! I've never seen Lost. Who is Jack? yardwork Feb 2012 #20
Go to Netflix now and get Season One! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #21
I dropped my netflix account so that I could afford to buy a star on DU! lol! yardwork Feb 2012 #22
Check the library! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #24
Great idea but I seriously don't own a TV. LOL! yardwork Feb 2012 #28
Only if your computer has a DVD drive justiceischeap Feb 2012 #32
It does! I remember now that's why I realized that I didn't need a TV or cable. yardwork Feb 2012 #33
i could easily get rid of cable and the tv. we only have it because seabeyond Feb 2012 #36
I realized how much I was spending on cable and I never used the TV, so I gave it away. yardwork Feb 2012 #37
There was a TV show on ABC called "Lost" justiceischeap Feb 2012 #23
Thanks! Now I get it. yardwork Feb 2012 #27
Good examples, especially "The Handmaid's Tale". Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #26
Ever since 2000 I think about The Handmaid's Tale all the time. yardwork Feb 2012 #29
She sure did! Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #30
Is it worth the read? justiceischeap Feb 2012 #31
It's great. I don't think it's dry at all. yardwork Feb 2012 #34
Zillion times better than the movie obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #35
It's super-good. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #39
Great article! Lisa D Feb 2012 #40
You're welcome justiceischeap Feb 2012 #41
The main thrust of this seems to be - don't be nasty, redqueen Feb 2012 #46
I don't know that the author was actually proposing a new name justiceischeap Feb 2012 #47
there's nothing as women or individuals we can do to avoid being stereotyped seabeyond Feb 2012 #48
So you think people won't always stereotype other people? justiceischeap Feb 2012 #49
look at the difference to what i replied to. seabeyond Feb 2012 #52
I agree, we must always try combating stereotypes justiceischeap Feb 2012 #53
of course they do. hence the battle. and women are less intelligent than man, not capable of seabeyond Feb 2012 #54
In theory should be easy since there is much agreement by all who want to advance womens equality stevenleser Feb 2012 #58
i think that is all pretty much a given... steven. agreed. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #59
Is conflict inherently bad? redqueen Feb 2012 #60
Either way works for me. stevenleser Feb 2012 #61
Hey Stevenleser justiceischeap Feb 2012 #62
I think I do have a slight preference for a more civilized discussion with less argument. stevenleser Feb 2012 #63
justice Whisp Feb 2012 #64
Tides that ebb and flow ChaRipley Oct 2012 #65
What I think is really sad about this is, there are wide areas of agreement across waves stevenleser Oct 2012 #66
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