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seabeyond

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Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:00 AM Dec 2011

2nd and 3rd wave feminism [View all]

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Third Wave feminists like Rebecca Walker and Shannon Liss (Cofounders of the Third Wave Direct Action Committee) completely disagree. Feminism has always been a struggle against patriarchy: the Second Wave fought against patriarchy embodied by political constraints while the Third struggled with patriarchy embodied by societal constraints and labels. These fights are all part of the same movement, even though they have different focuses. This is why I think the name “Third Wave” is a completely accurate title; this term both symbolizes the distinction of this feminist group from the Second Wave, as well as alludes to the shared underlying goals held by the Second and Third Waves.

The Third Wave called on women “to make feminism personal” thereby making feminism more universal and accessible. This made feminism a common denominator amongst different races, classes, and sexualities, which I believe sort of sealed up the cracks in Second Wave feminism. Even though this newer form feminism attempted to unify all women’s rights groups, there was growing tension between second and third wavers. Why was it that “sisterhood had suddenly become mother-daughterhood.”? Walker once said, “I think some of the older women have been a little threatened. It’s a fear about being somehow displaced.”

Evidently, society and politics have always been very much integrated. I think that if the second and third waver’s recognize their mutual dependence, then the women’s movement will be a lot stronger and even more effective because, as Lorde suggests, “Difference must not merely be tolerated, but seen as a fund of necessary polarities between which our creativity can spark like a dialect.”

http://www.wstudies.pitt.edu/blogs/aff8/mother-daughterhood

In Rebecca Walker’s “Becoming the Third Wave” she begins with a discussion on the Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill controversy in which Hill accused Thomas of sexually assaulting her. As Walker stated, women in the United States not backing up a fellow woman is disastrous for our future as women. If we cannot stick together, we will probably fail in our attempts to equalize our relationship as compared with that of men. Walker is a strong advocate for joining in a sisterhood that is the third wave, rather than referring to it as a group.

The idea of third wave feminism as a sisterhood is a recurring one which is mentioned in Astrid Henry’s “Solitary Sisterhood: Individualism Meets Collectivity in Feminism’s Third Wave” as well. In this chapter, Naomi Wolf claims, “true sisterhood can only be achieved by incorporating diversity into feminism (Henry, p. 89)de.” I agree with Walker in that we should each define feminism as it applies to each of us but overall I think that this true third wave of feminism should be a sisterhood rather than “the mother-daughter trope” that some young feminists are beginning to side with.

I believe that third wave feminism is a necessary and engaging form of feminism, one that could possibly solve equality differences sooner than past or other forms of feminism. I do believe that we should each define feminism for ourselves but finally I think that every woman should take some time to decide for herself if she will truly devote herself to the cause or watch as everything that has been worked for by our sisters past is taken from us before our very eyes.

http://feministvarieties.blogspot.com/2007/04/never-too-late-to-have-opinion-on-third.html

Third Wave feminism is a philosophy that emerged in the 1990s. Like all feminism, the Third Wave focuses on the economic, political, social, and personal empowerment of women. This newer form of feminism focuses more on the individual empowerment of women and less on activism. It celebrates women’s journeys to build meaningful identities in the complex contemporary world.

Characteristics of Third Wave Feminism
Third Wave feminism celebrates women’s multiple and sometimes contradictory identities in today’s world.
Third Wave feminists are encouraged to build their own identities from the available buffet, and to not worry if the items on their plate are not served together traditionally. Women can unapologetically celebrate a plate full of entrée choices like soccer mom, career woman, lover, wife, lesbian, activist, consumer, girly girl, tomboy, sweetheart, bitch, good girl, princess, or sex symbol.
Third Wave feminism encourages personal empowerment and action.
Third Wave feminists like to think of themselves as survivors, not victims.
Although Third Wave feminists do not reject political activism, the emphasis is more on using one’s personal empowerment as a starting point for societal change.
Third Wave feminism celebrates emotions and experiences that traditionally have been labelled as “unfeminine.” Women are invited to be angry, aggressive, and outspoken.
Third Wave feminism celebrates women’s sexuality and encourages women to explore sexual options and express themselves in whatever ways they feel comfortable. The double standard and titles like “slut” are discarded. The female characters from Sex and the City can be seen as Third Wave feminist icons who do not apologize for their sexual relationships and adventures.
Third Wave feminists celebrate diversity. The Women’s Liberation Movement often was criticized for focusing too narrowly on the experiences of middle-class, white, heterosexual women.
As is characteristics of Generation X and Generation Y, Third Wave feminists express themselves through popular culture and use it in their personal journeys to define identity. They look for women, images, and musicians who represent their own struggles. They also take ironic pleasure in outrageously sexist or sexualized representations, like Paris Hilton or reality shows like America’s Next Top Model.

Criticisms of Third Wave Feminism
The most common criticism of Third Wave feminism may be that it is not political enough. It is a highly individualistic philosophy that generally values personal empowerment over activism. For this reason, critics argue that Third Wave feminism is ill equipped to foster social change, and in fact may discourage women from become feminist activists.
Another common criticism of Third Wave feminism is that its focus on identity issues is not a universal concern. The ability to explore one’s identity is a privilege. Women who are concerned about feeding their children or surviving domestic violence cannot be bothered with‘finding themselves.”
Other critics argue that the Third Wave feminists do more damage than good by equating women’s sexuality with power. Critics argue that this kind of sexual empowerment is purely individual and does not lead to social change, and in fact promotes the sexualization of women.

http://naomi-rockler-gladen.suite101.com/third-wave-feminism-a20276

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seems to me like once again, i am not a part of any group. i seem to be inbetween the boomer and x'er, not able to identify with either. and the same seems to be true with the 2nd and 3rd wave. an interesting place to sit, but then seems to be my life in all areas of life.

i am trying to understand the process of where we are today. i never identified as a feminist until moving to texas around a certain type man and the bushco years and cult like evolution psychology that has escalated the macho, dominant man. i have taken on the title of feminist because it has been made into a bad word of anti sex and the ruination of all of mankind.






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2nd and 3rd wave feminism [View all] seabeyond Dec 2011 OP
Yep, libodem Dec 2011 #1
i've always been a third wave feminist La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #2
i would have to agree. seabeyond Dec 2011 #3
i think the problem is that when people say "the whole" they very rarely mean it La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #4
when i say women as a whole, i am talking all women.... and girls. seabeyond Dec 2011 #5
i edited my response (not sure you read the whole thing) La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #6
thru out history and the human race, people have been able to look beyond self seabeyond Dec 2011 #7
its not about altruism. its about not-knowing and being blind to that La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #8
i don't agree with you. i think history would agree and disagree seabeyond Dec 2011 #9
A possibly illustrating anecdote iris27 Dec 2011 #11
i understand. where i disagree is an inability to understand. to get beyond. seabeyond Dec 2011 #12
I'm between you & seabeyond. CrispyQ Dec 2011 #34
thanks for this post. i agree with lack of empathy. or kindness. or nice. seabeyond Dec 2011 #35
A lot of people would be more compassionate if they could see things from a different perspective. CrispyQ Dec 2011 #36
I've never really identified with either 'wave'. I feel like the iris27 Dec 2011 #10
this is more my experience. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #13
what would you have us do in the case of michelle duggar? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #14
I don't think it's our place to interfere, redqueen Dec 2011 #15
i agree with you, and that's why i can see why a feminist may say that while La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #16
I admit I don't understand the differences very well. redqueen Dec 2011 #18
how i see it and how i see the difference is... seabeyond Dec 2011 #19
I don't think we should pretend that they are making feminist choices - that any choice made by iris27 Dec 2011 #20
ok. i see that. in your initial post it didnt read as though it was being celebrated as a choice La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #21
Yeah, looking back, "perfectly fine" was not the best descriptor for the iris27 Dec 2011 #22
i would disagree that this is because she is a third waver La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #23
I don't know, she's not the only such person I've encountered, just the most out-there. It'd be iris27 Dec 2011 #24
I think that woman is confused. I don't think most 3rd wavers would agree with her stevenleser Dec 2011 #26
Third Waver LadyHawkAZ Dec 2011 #17
Feminism was my first introduction to politics. I am more drawn to 3rd wave thinking stevenleser Dec 2011 #25
i would appreciate hearing how you see 3rd waves. and on edit seabeyond Dec 2011 #27
I'm not sure I follow. stevenleser Dec 2011 #28
i asked how you see 3rd wave, because i am interested in different perspectives seabeyond Dec 2011 #29
A couple of things stevenleser Dec 2011 #30
thanks. i appreciate the discussion. from your original post seabeyond Dec 2011 #31
Sorry about the delay. I talk about third wave vs second wave here stevenleser Jan 2012 #49
that was a very frustrating thread. supposedly with people that are open to discussion seabeyond Jan 2012 #54
I was very disappointed that fellow DUers rated her according to her looks stevenleser Jan 2012 #56
but you do not want it for your daughter cause you know the inherent problems and issues with that. seabeyond Jan 2012 #59
The reasoning is different and goes to the heart of what constitutes Empowerment and Bias stevenleser Jan 2012 #62
in the thread was the issue of men rating a woman. that as my issue. until men started addressing seabeyond Jan 2012 #64
so really, the sex positive female is merely the pro porn woman? no wonder the men are into the 3rd seabeyond Jan 2012 #65
Why else would Gail Dines define third-wave "feminism" as being "all about capitulation." laconicsax Jan 2012 #66
that is what it feels like. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #67
So, in your words, if a woman likes sex she is "all about capitulation"? stevenleser Jan 2012 #69
Umm...no. laconicsax Jan 2012 #70
No need, I read the entire thread. I knew exactly what I was saying and why. stevenleser Jan 2012 #72
Well, you clearly weren't responding to what I wrote, so it makes me wonder. laconicsax Jan 2012 #74
that is silly at best and dishonest at worst. so do you wonder seabeyond Jan 2012 #71
It's not dishonest. That poster said what they said. stevenleser Jan 2012 #73
i dont know what wave i am in, but going by the names i am called, guessing 2nd. and you would be seabeyond Jan 2012 #75
Wow. That is what you got from that link? stevenleser Jan 2012 #68
here's me in my bombazine dress iverglas Jan 2012 #87
how to use sexuality to get what you want at work. seabeyond Jan 2012 #63
No. I dont think third wavers would be in favor of that at all. stevenleser Jan 2012 #76
i dont know the other two, but i have liked everything i have heard from naomi wolf seabeyond Jan 2012 #77
I read that article when it came out. I'm a big fan of hers and have met and talked to her stevenleser Jan 2012 #78
you are premising womens argument to fit your perception of them. i have heard it many times in seabeyond Jan 2012 #79
Civil/Gender rights issues are moral issues too. Perhaps I didnt make that clear stevenleser Jan 2012 #80
we are talking rights not sex. i have always and consistently supported civil and gender rights seabeyond Jan 2012 #81
You tried to suggest that I felt that 2nd wavers were addressing porn as a moral issue stevenleser Jan 2012 #82
all she is basically saying is the younger generation. seabeyond Jan 2012 #83
Me too. Here is the bottom line and what I think is the way for second and third wavers to work stevenleser Jan 2012 #90
As long as women are treated as things... redqueen Jan 2012 #93
Is trying to force that philosophical point on people who dont agree worth alienating people who stevenleser Jan 2012 #94
the options provied seems to be stfu. and i think women have had enough of being told to stfu. seabeyond Jan 2012 #95
But a large group of women disagree with that. Are you telling the women who disagree to STFU? stevenleser Jan 2012 #96
pfff, they are not being told they are frigid. lol. you said seabeyond Jan 2012 #98
"if you want support for... then shut up about..." redqueen Jan 2012 #100
It's not a philosophical point. redqueen Jan 2012 #99
how do you iverglas Jan 2012 #101
100% committed to the equal treatment of GLBT people, regardless of anything said to seabeyond Jan 2012 #102
pft, Naomi Wolf iverglas Jan 2012 #88
try not changing the subject iverglas Jan 2012 #84
When you address the inconsistencies in your approach, I'll enter into a lengthy dialogue stevenleser Jan 2012 #85
why are you here? iverglas Jan 2012 #86
Why to sell Amway products, of course. stevenleser Jan 2012 #89
I know, I look young (lol) I'm a rather proud dad so, here she is stevenleser Jan 2012 #50
Wow, she's great, Steve Remember Me Jan 2012 #52
Thank you! I raised her to be able to kick butt academically, intellectually and physically. stevenleser Jan 2012 #53
wow steven, that is all kinds of awesome. it is wonderful seeing a girl do.... seabeyond Jan 2012 #55
She is off to College next year. That video helped land her the soccer scholarship she received stevenleser Jan 2012 #58
ahhhhh, lol. hey, that was clever of you. my son is a junior. seabeyond Jan 2012 #61
Whew! I hope that wasn't all in one conversation! Remember Me Dec 2011 #43
Thank you. See my #50 above. :-) stevenleser Jan 2012 #51
This was such a good article libodem Dec 2011 #32
i had to speak out a couple weeks ago. seabeyond Dec 2011 #33
Just a way to categorize starspunch78 Dec 2011 #37
welcome to du. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #38
Thanks! starspunch78 Dec 2011 #42
Welcome to DU and thanks for kicking this thread! PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #39
Hello! starspunch78 Dec 2011 #41
No, actually, it wasn't Remember Me Dec 2011 #44
thank you for this post. as i say. i dont feel like i fit or even understand either. seabeyond Dec 2011 #45
Another K&R PhoenixAbove Dec 2011 #40
Speaking as a 2nd Waver, I think 3rd Wave, as described Remember Me Dec 2011 #46
"The personal is the political" means? seabeyond Dec 2011 #47
Okay, I will. Remember Me Dec 2011 #48
y'know, I guess I would just ask the "third wavers": iverglas Jan 2012 #57
So how's that working out for you then? seabeyond Jan 2012 #60
I'm Gen X, I think, which is why I can relate to one thing with that third wave... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #91
i dont get you... seabeyond Jan 2012 #92
I think "ironic" might be the key here ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #97
kicking. looking thru google for a particular third waver, i cant remember her name. seabeyond Dec 2013 #103
No problem kicking it here, sea. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #104
thank you woman... seabeyond Dec 2013 #105
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