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In reply to the discussion: Glad to see some pushback. [View all]

kickysnana

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30. The movement predates DU
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:19 PM
Feb 2012

My comments had nothing to do with DU. I just had been paying more attention lately, and caught the unfortunate melt down thread and thought maybe I should do more but having been burned before I was just introducing myself and my background just a bit.

As far as I can remember I participated very early in DU1 but then had to scale back my battles and I chose verified voting and read posts from this group. On DU2 I just kept up and recommended some but did not jump in any more.

It gets so complicated sometimes. I was in the military for a short time in 1970 and the career women were fighting for fair pay and status and to do that they had to have access to promotions and units that were off limits to them. I understood that but I had come in as an axillary person because I was a pacifist and thought we should not be doing any wars of aggression but I also knew that I did not have the right to tell others what to believe in and if women did not become part of the military instead of auxiliary to the military they would literally be second class citizens and told what they could not do not only in the military but in corporations, schools, health care and government. (won't go into it but what was going on with the two tired system was brutal, ugly, and unfair). A good many of the senior brass saw WACS as "comfort women", something that was not only untrue but made it unsafe to be there.

So even though I was a pacifist I supported what the career women were trying to do even if they thought they should be in combat. Complicated.

The folks I am referring to negatively were more like "Fatal Attraction", She-Devil (or "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" than "Blossoms in the Dust" or "First Wives Club". Although revenge fantasies make a good movie they in real life they usually destroy both parties and turn off people you want on your side. I still am not coming up with any real name because I would rather forget those folks but remember what the result was when they got in charge.

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Glad to see some pushback. [View all] kickysnana Feb 2012 OP
I feel the same way. I go far back on this one, finding matches to monmouth Feb 2012 #1
Wasn't bra burning a media-created myth? nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #2
I thought so, too. Found this: redqueen Feb 2012 #3
I didn't read redqueen's link, but it was no myth OKNancy Feb 2012 #4
An older cousin of mine participated in one on her campus. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #6
If so, it was sparked by the inaccurate description provided by the jouranlist redqueen Feb 2012 #11
exactly iverglas Feb 2012 #21
Interesting. Around what year was that? nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #28
It was more of a metaphor than a commonplace event Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #5
it was an exciting time OKNancy Feb 2012 #8
And the bras from that error were uncomfortable -- EVERYONE should have burned theirs! Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #10
Disobedience is exhilarating. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #29
Haha, nope, not in my part of Jersey. We were loud and strong and gave VS a lot monmouth Feb 2012 #18
I'm not sure what you're saying wildflower Feb 2012 #7
No, not at all. I just ignore people like that not try to connect with them. kickysnana Feb 2012 #14
"the "my sole purpose in life is to hate men" people" redqueen Feb 2012 #9
I don't know what era or flavor you are from - Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #16
odd iverglas Feb 2012 #20
I'm sure it wasn't universal - Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #24
i was in calif, going thru teenage years in 70's. never heard that. it was way too seabeyond Feb 2012 #32
I've only ever encountered that sentiment when used as a strawfeminist. redqueen Feb 2012 #25
It was a very trendy position briefly in the 70's The empressof all Feb 2012 #26
Consider yourself lucky - Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #27
One only needs to google and read about Valerie Solanas, an icon for Separatist feminism to validate stevenleser Feb 2012 #39
It was here in NC in the late 60's early 70's unc70 Feb 2012 #52
my husband, two sons, 5 nephews, two brothers and father may disagree. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #12
wow, what a winner! Scout Feb 2012 #13
Have to check the wayback machine and get back to you. kickysnana Feb 2012 #15
Check my post # 16. Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #17
Ha I always thought the political lesbians were odd The empressof all Feb 2012 #23
I don't believe we've been properly introduced iverglas Feb 2012 #19
This poster does not need papers or to prove credentials to post in here mtnester Feb 2012 #34
Any feminist would expext such blowback redqueen Feb 2012 #36
The OP was worded in a non-delicate way, I agree. stevenleser Feb 2012 #40
or maybe taken the time to engage, to educate, to change perceptions, to do about anything other mtnester Feb 2012 #48
Go to any other feminist space... redqueen Feb 2012 #49
You can take anything compltely out of their context and make it sound any way you want mtnester Feb 2012 #50
Use the entire OP, then. nt redqueen Feb 2012 #51
Not a polite way to introduce yourself to this (or any) group. BlueIris Feb 2012 #22
The movement predates DU kickysnana Feb 2012 #30
"My comments had nothing to do with DU." Neither did mine. BlueIris Feb 2012 #31
You want me to rewrite history to be here. OK I got it. I am out of here. kickysnana Feb 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Feb 2012 #35
You might want to check the links I provided above Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #37
and this has to do with what the poster wrote in the OP iverglas Feb 2012 #38
Remembering our history. Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #41
Do you honestly think there's any danger of 'man haters' taking over any movement? redqueen Feb 2012 #43
Here, there were two women who described themselves as Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #44
I had seen an actual genderqueer woman using the term to describe herself redqueen Feb 2012 #45
In that context, it is a different issue. Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #46
Oh yes, I see the parallel for sure... redqueen Feb 2012 #47
I got what you were saying Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #42
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