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In reply to the discussion: The Reason I Have Been Silent. [View all]redqueen
(115,177 posts)132. My response:
I don't know redqueen, and very early in the flame-war I asked if she wanted her position back. Maybe she would handle the position better? She declined. I added her very close after the time I removed and banned iverglas.No, you did not. Not according to the automated PM I received.
laconicsax re-added me.Before I had a chance to think about how I want to approach redqueen with what had happened, coup.
I was told that you did not discuss "what happened" with your current co-hosts at the time.
Why would you approach me with something you didn't approach the current co-hosts about?Redqueen: "As the only main host who was ever fairly nominated and agreed on, I am making this decision unilaterally, due to the fact that I was told the decision to block her was made unilaterally by the new host who was made so automatically as a function of the software."
I'm not sure I have to tell you how insulting this is. To how hard I've worked to end a feud that has been riling up people for too long. I have been goaded, insulted, pissed upon, lied about, tricked and not been treated fairly within my circumstance. I will not join a fight when I'm trying to calm it down. I have seen no effort by the current co-hosts or ex-co-host to even attempt to help me in public view to either calm down themselves or calm the flame war down. I have lacked administration support for many days, I sought advice, information and emotional support elsewhere, and now my co-hosts and ex-co-host have purposely directed the flame war onto me. You probably have no idea why or how I am resilient. But I'm not here to tell my life's story.
What do you think you've done that qualifies as working hard to end this alleged "feud"?
You add a lot of nasty words for how you feel you've been treated, where is the evidence? A few people are dissatisfied with how you've handled your hosting duties. I wasn't privy to what went on at that other site, but nobody "pissed upon" you, Neoma. People have opinions and people aren't shy about sharing them, anywhere on this forum.
Who lied about you? Please let us all know what exactly that is in reference to.
Who tricked you, and how?
And guess what, now I'm insulted that you're sitting here telling people that nobody did anything to calm anything down. I did, and it was working, but then you posted your pinned thread about how you weren't stepping down.
You were answering one or two people who had suggested that you do resign with a pinned thread. Does that sound logical to you?
But you got a result with that action didn't you? Was that part of your effort to calm things down? Because what actually happened was that made everything worse. How could it not? You weren't participating, you had made unilateral decisions, and you allegedly were saying stuff like we focus on gender too much in this group. That's not the kind of focus people expect from the host of a group intended for "discussing and trying to resolve the problems that are inherent to women in society"
Note this part:
In short: Forum hosts have very limited powers. Group hosts have very broad powers. But regardless of whether you are a Forum Host or a Group Host, you would be wise to use your powers carefully and thoughtfully. Solve problems, don't create problems. And most of all, act in good faith.Your Job
The job of a Host is to help a forum or group stay true to its purpose, which is reflected in its Statement of Purpose. As you do your job, you should be mindful of this Statement of Purpose, which can be found in the following places:
And again, the purpose is to discuss problems inherent to women.
Did you even say that, about discussing gender too much? I was told this but I want to give you a chance now to deny it or explain it... because you need to consider how such a statement reflects on your ability to host this forum. Keeping discussions on track about the problems inherent to women is your job. If you say we discuss gender too much, don't you think that will understandably raise some eyebrows, at the very least?So, you should only serve as a Host in a forum in group where you are yourself a regular participant. If you participate in the forum or group you are hosting, you will have a better understanding of the norms, standards, and culture of that forum or group. Which will help you make better decisions about how to do the job.Now my dear co-hosts, I am removing all of you, but I will not ban you or anyone else unless it is very clear to do so because of verbal abuse, bullying, provoking, etc. (This goes the same for people who are not hosts.) I am giving you a chance. I am locking all threads that has caused disruption. And I wish to make something clear. I have not harmfully provoked you. I did not re-pin my Breathe thread. I did not re-ban iverglas. I did not remove seabeyond along with iverglas, I did not un-ban Creekdog, I did not ban redqueen immediately after she staged a coup. If I have done any crime, it is to re-pin my thread announcing that I am not resigning at this time repeatedly to the top after you have un-pinned it.
Excuse me? How exactly did I stage this?I have tried to have patience with all of you, but I'm sad to say, none of you has been good co-host material. Since I have worked on this thread from 9am to 11:20pm, I will wake up tomorrow hoping that this has cleared up questions. Hoping that I am not repeatedly attacked for attempting to promote peace between both parties, If only for a short while... and to bring up the point of 'both' parties, everyone who comes into this group is part of the group. It's disrespectful and rude to bring this into every comment you disagree with.
So this patronizing, condescending tone is part of your good faith effort to promote peace.
Right.
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I subscribe to this forum, but have purposely followed this debacle in only a very superficial way..
hlthe2b
Feb 2012
#3
do YOU understand the lesson? iverglas was fuckin RIGHT in all her hard ass.
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#229
by having NO rules... is what weakened the SoP. every time we wanted a rule in it, we hear EXclusive
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#232
Leader doesn't look so week to me. she has not been in there for 7 days, so a week
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#235
you are right, the SoP doesnt matter because the lead host does not have to honor it anyway
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#238
The solution to that was to remove the offending hosts or get them to resign.
laconicsax
Feb 2012
#52
having an election is a coup. having no votes and declaring victory is honorable. this is the world
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#33
we had an election twice, and voted redqueen and that is a coup. she has NO votes
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#37
you said you were uncomfortable with the group. i made the suggestion so you and others
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#116
yes maddez.. it is. trying to work with people that said they wanted to be a part of our
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#126
yes... the point is i was trying to make this an environment to welcome all. i get that. i failed
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#131
The point is that you have been saying that she was not elected, and that's not true.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#134
this is not a tough one. a business hires an employee. some dont always turn out to be
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#133
This isn't right. Not what should be going on here. All of it pretty disappointing.
patrice
Feb 2012
#7
All, as in, I'm not singling anyone out. Everyone needs to do what it takes to get along. nt
patrice
Feb 2012
#13
Removing all other hosts and shutting down discussion on the matter isn't a power grab?
laconicsax
Feb 2012
#43
Neoma, I have privately apologized to you for my past disrespectful comments to you, but please
Ruby the Liberal
Feb 2012
#22
"It's offensive to say that your opinions are invalid because you aren't a woman."
mistertrickster
Feb 2012
#25
Hey, pac. I don't agree with you at all given her unilateral sacking of all other hosts today...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2012
#66
She was invited to become a host by them. And she was made lead host by them.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#209
Another thing. The host you sacked who you called a 'she' is actually a 'he'..
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2012
#67
Yes, the bit where she sacks the other hosts coz someone dared unpin her post is a highlight...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2012
#70
would that be when she refused to talk to any cohosts from saturday evening on? we would be the ones
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#85
we can create any story that we want as a supposition. saturday night she quit talking to us
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#93
As you know, they probably weren't "independent" decisions --just independent from you
Remember Me
Feb 2012
#124
misrepresentation and fabrication impresses you? it is easy to make something look pretty
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#71
what part puts me in a bad light? that i quoted a post that said "you fucking bigots"? or
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#74
this is my point. putting together a balanced and fair representation of facts does not matter. it
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#76
why would people who do not participate in our forum, or are not members of our forum's
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#88
lisa d, do we open up the vote to all people on du dscussion board for our group host? nt
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#94
or, the voting happens and it is there to see. i dont have that info. but as many said, there is
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#98
people who post in the gorup discussing feminist issues and people that have membership
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#95
it is clear who participates in the forum. it would be EXclusive, something we avoid, having been
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#99
i havent participated in that and i have no desire to. i only speak to what i know.
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#101
again, i think it is pretty simple to see if a person participates in the feminsit discussion in
seabeyond
Feb 2012
#103
Sounds like the phrase "regular women" that has also been tossed around this forum lately.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#122
I was dragged into this nonsense by the disruption that spread from here to other parts of DU.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#144
I notice once again this host is MIA and unaccountable to the group members.
boston bean
Feb 2012
#78
Neoma: re: Skinner's statement on responsibilities of a Forum or Group host...
hlthe2b
Feb 2012
#164
I thnk it's completely unfair and unkind to equate this action with being right wing
CreekDog
Feb 2012
#176
Nobody's orchestrating anything. The previous hosts of this group made Neoma the lead host.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#197
can I ask if calling the action a Republican style action is the meme of the day?
CreekDog
Feb 2012
#199