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NCTraveler

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Thu Mar 15, 2012, 10:35 PM Mar 2012

Why "fun feminism" should be consigned to the rubbish bin [View all]

If men like a particular brand of feminism, it means it is not working.

What is feminism? A political movement to overthrow male supremacy, according to us radicals. These days, however, young women (and men) are increasingly fed the line from "fun feminists" that it is about individual power, rather than a collective movement.

Caitlin Moran, whose best-selling book has made her into one of the country's best-known fun feminists, is an apologist for porn and wasted an opportunity during a feminist debate on Newsnight to joke about cardigans. The writer Natasha Walter claims that being able to wear trousers and drink beer on her own means sexism is dead, and other "feminist-lite" types can be found blogging nonsense about the need to include men in our movement and not offending the poor dears with mentions of rape and domestic violence.

We need to bring back the radical edge to feminism, and do away with any notion that slutwalking, lap dancing, sex working or Burkha-wearing is liberation for women. If men like a particular brand of feminism, it means it is not working. "Fun feminism" should be consigned to the rubbish bin along with the Lib Dem party.

I am tired of being told by so-called third-wavers that my feminism is fascist, old hat, irrelevant and man hating. It is nothing personal to me; just that feminism is something that has been central to my life since I was a teenager. I do not want to see its radical edge co-opted by over-privileged, self-serving faux feminists.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/08/fun-feminism-women-feminist

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I really don't know what to think about this. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #1
Here's a discussion on the same article: The Philosopher Mar 2012 #2
Thank you. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #3
I don't blame you for staying out of the other thread, it's toxic. William769 Mar 2012 #5
Honestly, it's an ugly article without any merit. The Philosopher Mar 2012 #8
Thank you for your reply. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #15
I know what to think about it. ZenLefty Mar 2012 #11
Here is what I think. Every discriminated against group has people like this. stevenleser Mar 2012 #30
Fun is good RobertEarl Mar 2012 #4
the author has a few good points but its clouded by her desire to denigrate women La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #6
Agreed, good post. n/t tammywammy Mar 2012 #14
After the other post of this appeared, I brought this up to some of fellow faculty members ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #7
not a fan of this article or author maddezmom Mar 2012 #9
+1. *Feminism TM* n/t Catherina Mar 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #10
It's about the patriarchy to me ismnotwasm Mar 2012 #12
I agree that being a strong woman doesn't make you a feminist Nikia Mar 2012 #16
Julie Bindel, the author of this column, is known to be transphobic and intolerant. yardwork Mar 2012 #17
What a pantload. gkhouston Mar 2012 #18
"I am tired of being told by so-called 3rd-wavers that my feminism is fascist, old hat, irrelevant" Catherina Mar 2012 #19
Best way to get people to listen to you is to insult them. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #20
so maybe the 3rd wavers shouldn't insult her, eh? n/t Scout Mar 2012 #21
She's a member of an increasingly isolated, incoherent, irrelevant minority that is on its way out. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #22
just commenting on the hypocrisy ... author of the article is supposed to avoid name calling, etc. Scout Mar 2012 #23
She's a bigot who denigrates everyone fom young women to transpeople to hetero women Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #24
got it. she must be careful what she says, so others might listen to her. Scout Mar 2012 #26
Actually, it doesn't really matter either way. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #27
Honestly, Scout MadrasT Mar 2012 #25
Julie Bindel is not a second waver. She's in her 40s. She's younger than Obama, who is Gen X. yardwork Mar 2012 #28
+1. Agreed. polly7 Mar 2012 #29
Just like it's hard for those of us who believe the earth is round not to denigrate flat-earthers... stevenleser Mar 2012 #31
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