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Nikia

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16. I agree that being a strong woman doesn't make you a feminist
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 11:40 AM
Mar 2012

Even in very sexist times, there have been women that have been "honorary men" or otherwise had good standing amongst men within their own social group. While sometimes these women tried to help other women, other times they were less likely to do anything positive for women out of fear that their male benefactors would remember that they were women too.
In my own life, I have interviewed with the token high ranking women at rather sexist companies where women are very poorly represented. Some of these women don't seem to desire helping other women either.
In my own life, I have been more nerdy, more athletic, and less girly than average for women. This has seemed to bring me the acceptance of some male aquaintances who are rather sexist. While I did not remain totally silent, I did not speak out to the extent that maybe I should when they seemed upset about what I was saying. I felt that I was just banging my head against the wall anyway. At my new company, my boss has made sexist comments about women in general and a few other female employees. It does not seem that he is sexist towards me or another woman in our department who has an advanced degree though.
One of the things that concerns me about the whole sexualization is power thing is that personally it seems that men respect women less that they see as sex objects. They may respect women that have proven themselves as capable colleagues at work but those women that they want to hook up with are just "bimbos". Maybe this is changing for people in their 20's or in less socially conservative areas but I think this is still an issue and attitude held by many men, especially the one's who are now leaders in business and politics.
I guess that these are my main issues with what the author seemed to describe as "fun feminism." I do think that not all men are not our enemy. There are average men who don't think that they are sexist though that do have sexist attitudes towards women either as a whole or certain types of women (sexualized women, poor women, single mothers, pregnant/lactating women, etc.). I think that as feminists that we do have a duty to talk to men in our lives like that about it. I do think that we do still need to talk about issues that might offend men since these issues still affect women. I also think that we do need the dialogue of "Radical Feminist" to arrive at good solutions to these problems just as we need Marxism to help us arrive at things like Unions, better working conditions, and shorter work weeks.

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I really don't know what to think about this. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #1
Here's a discussion on the same article: The Philosopher Mar 2012 #2
Thank you. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #3
I don't blame you for staying out of the other thread, it's toxic. William769 Mar 2012 #5
Honestly, it's an ugly article without any merit. The Philosopher Mar 2012 #8
Thank you for your reply. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #15
I know what to think about it. ZenLefty Mar 2012 #11
Here is what I think. Every discriminated against group has people like this. stevenleser Mar 2012 #30
Fun is good RobertEarl Mar 2012 #4
the author has a few good points but its clouded by her desire to denigrate women La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #6
Agreed, good post. n/t tammywammy Mar 2012 #14
After the other post of this appeared, I brought this up to some of fellow faculty members ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #7
not a fan of this article or author maddezmom Mar 2012 #9
+1. *Feminism TM* n/t Catherina Mar 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #10
It's about the patriarchy to me ismnotwasm Mar 2012 #12
I agree that being a strong woman doesn't make you a feminist Nikia Mar 2012 #16
Julie Bindel, the author of this column, is known to be transphobic and intolerant. yardwork Mar 2012 #17
What a pantload. gkhouston Mar 2012 #18
"I am tired of being told by so-called 3rd-wavers that my feminism is fascist, old hat, irrelevant" Catherina Mar 2012 #19
Best way to get people to listen to you is to insult them. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #20
so maybe the 3rd wavers shouldn't insult her, eh? n/t Scout Mar 2012 #21
She's a member of an increasingly isolated, incoherent, irrelevant minority that is on its way out. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #22
just commenting on the hypocrisy ... author of the article is supposed to avoid name calling, etc. Scout Mar 2012 #23
She's a bigot who denigrates everyone fom young women to transpeople to hetero women Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #24
got it. she must be careful what she says, so others might listen to her. Scout Mar 2012 #26
Actually, it doesn't really matter either way. Warren DeMontague Mar 2012 #27
Honestly, Scout MadrasT Mar 2012 #25
Julie Bindel is not a second waver. She's in her 40s. She's younger than Obama, who is Gen X. yardwork Mar 2012 #28
+1. Agreed. polly7 Mar 2012 #29
Just like it's hard for those of us who believe the earth is round not to denigrate flat-earthers... stevenleser Mar 2012 #31
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