Feminists
In reply to the discussion: Why "fun feminism" should be consigned to the rubbish bin [View all]Nikia
(11,411 posts)Even in very sexist times, there have been women that have been "honorary men" or otherwise had good standing amongst men within their own social group. While sometimes these women tried to help other women, other times they were less likely to do anything positive for women out of fear that their male benefactors would remember that they were women too.
In my own life, I have interviewed with the token high ranking women at rather sexist companies where women are very poorly represented. Some of these women don't seem to desire helping other women either.
In my own life, I have been more nerdy, more athletic, and less girly than average for women. This has seemed to bring me the acceptance of some male aquaintances who are rather sexist. While I did not remain totally silent, I did not speak out to the extent that maybe I should when they seemed upset about what I was saying. I felt that I was just banging my head against the wall anyway. At my new company, my boss has made sexist comments about women in general and a few other female employees. It does not seem that he is sexist towards me or another woman in our department who has an advanced degree though.
One of the things that concerns me about the whole sexualization is power thing is that personally it seems that men respect women less that they see as sex objects. They may respect women that have proven themselves as capable colleagues at work but those women that they want to hook up with are just "bimbos". Maybe this is changing for people in their 20's or in less socially conservative areas but I think this is still an issue and attitude held by many men, especially the one's who are now leaders in business and politics.
I guess that these are my main issues with what the author seemed to describe as "fun feminism." I do think that not all men are not our enemy. There are average men who don't think that they are sexist though that do have sexist attitudes towards women either as a whole or certain types of women (sexualized women, poor women, single mothers, pregnant/lactating women, etc.). I think that as feminists that we do have a duty to talk to men in our lives like that about it. I do think that we do still need to talk about issues that might offend men since these issues still affect women. I also think that we do need the dialogue of "Radical Feminist" to arrive at good solutions to these problems just as we need Marxism to help us arrive at things like Unions, better working conditions, and shorter work weeks.