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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
36. Oh, so very sorry. I totally apologize for misreading your post.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:30 PM
Jul 2012

It's just that when I see a post where women are referred to in the context of the stereotypically female category of "dutiful little control freak...self sacrificing...for bragging rights" and who "neglect to delegate, like men delegate", I guess my sexism auto-immune response goes into overdrive. I see "working guy who sits on couch and drinks beer and watches TV while working woman comes home and does everything else and man can't understand why woman is consistently resentful about this and tries to explain why, and has repeatedly tried to delegate minimal domestic work, and guy says "hey I do things around here, I took out the garbage yesterday, so what's your problem? You're trying to control me!" syndrome.

As a woman with two children who has managed a household and been the executive administrator of two small successful, but not overly lucrative, businesses at the same time, one a non-profit, the other self-owned, and then later in life a manager of another non-profit as well, I have a tendency to totally resent the stereotypical "control freak female" label. You simply do what needs to be done, because it needs to get done, and you are ultimately singly responsible for the work getting done, so if someone else can't, or won't, do it, you do it yourself, even if you are ill, because (sometimes helpless) people are depending on you to get it done.

I've had to deal with more than a few men on staff who resented my position of authority because I was female, and who would childishly try to impede my efforts, and I'm sure that I have been labeled as a "control freak" by men both in my home and male staff members as well. (I do not believe that any of the women who worked or lived with me ever considered me a "dutiful little control freak self sacrificing for bragging rights". The younger brother (in his mid 20's) of one of my LTR partners who rented a room in our home actually had the audacity to say to me "Who appointed you God?" after I politely explained to him, while he was finishing scrubbing the cooking surfaces off of my expensive non-stick cookware with a metal scrubber, that doing so would ruin the cooking surfaces, and that that I would appreciate it if he cleaned up his own messes in the house. etc.

Soooo, from experience, I learned that, by only hiring women whenever possible, I no longer had these types of problems, maybe because we has all learned how to be dutiful little self sacrificing control freaks I suppose; anyway, under those circumstances, all the women simply did their job without hitting on each other, or trying to sabotage me, freeing me up to relax because I no longer had to monitor staff, and could concentrate on my primary work, allowing me to vacate my position of Chief Dutiful Little Control Freak Who Self Sacrifices Because The Reality Of The Situation Is That A Deadline Is Looming And She Needs To Complete Work That Failed To Get Done By Petulant, Disrespectful Staff

My children absolutely considered me a "dutiful little self-sacrificing control freak" when they were teenagers. Now that they are grown up, married, one with two children, neither of them even remotely believes that I was/am a control freak anymore. And it appears that I have been fairly successful in getting them to understand why and how to pull their weight so that they don't ever come to view their wives as "dutiful little control freaks self-sacrificing to claim bragging rights".

Now, I do see your point that there are some women who are totally, and needlessly, workaholics. It is regretful that male workaholics are generally positively stereotyped as "admirable, productive, highly respected over achievers", while women who conduct themselves in exactly the same manner as the aforementioned men are generally negatively stereotyped as a "dutiful little control freak self-sacrificing for bragging rights". Both are often heart attacks waiting to happen; the difference is, the man gets respect for earning his heart attack, while the woman is labeled an overbearing, shrewish, self-sacrificing fool for earning hers.

Honestly, I find it distressing that the feminist women you refer to in your post would stereotype workaholic women as "dutiful little control freaks self-sacrificing for bragging rights". I am pretty sure that there are some common sociological reasons behind women becoming workaholics.

Anyway, I sincerely do apologize for misreading your post as sexist; it is true that I am not familiar with you as a frequent poster in Feminist Groups, and because that stereotype/label "dutiful little control freak who refuses to delegate and self sacrifices because of a need to claim bragging rights" basically applies only to women, it totally hit a very, very raw nerve in me. I did not equate someone being "an obsessively reliable hopeless responsibility freak" with women working themselves to death for no good reason. And I have always viewed domestic responsibilities as equal in value and necessity to working within the system, so I do not automatically distinguish these types of work from one another. Again, my bad.

So very sorry. Please forgive me for my unwarranted, rude response. I do hope you can find some understanding, and a bit of empathy, of/for/why/where I was coming from with my misdirected rant, after this reading this relatively deficient explanatory "novel".

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Does anyone else go to work sick? [View all] Starry Messenger Jul 2012 OP
Where are the support for the men who go to work sick? My son is a cook and I can't southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #1
1) did you read the article? if the legislation is passed it would cover everyone, not just women, & spooky3 Jul 2012 #30
Feminism means supporting everybody and not just one group. yardwork Jul 2012 #41
I once worked a week Worried senior Jul 2012 #2
omg. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #7
I've worked with pneumonia and was reprimanded for 'sleeping on the job' when I fainted REP Jul 2012 #39
One of the women I worked with did that too! abelenkpe Jul 2012 #27
I also once went to work for a week while I had pneumonia (not because my bosses were Nay Jul 2012 #28
I would rather go to work and be miserable and get paid, Kalidurga Jul 2012 #3
I never did, but didn't have a family or children to support, either whathehell Jul 2012 #4
Just had me to support - have gone in so sick I could barely stand (or risk being fired) REP Jul 2012 #40
To each his own, I guess. whathehell Jul 2012 #43
And being homeless? REP Jul 2012 #44
I'm sorry whathehell Jul 2012 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author REP Jul 2012 #46
Being fired = no job = no money = no rent = no place to live REP Jul 2012 #47
Look, I have not argument with you and if you and others whathehell Jul 2012 #48
sick days are a good thing for everyone so why isnt the membership fighting for sickdays? leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #5
Good question....Sounds like a rather egregious oversight on the part of the membership. n/t whathehell Jul 2012 #17
I go to work sick even though I have sick days. xmas74 Jul 2012 #6
It sounds like your workplace is whathehell Jul 2012 #15
I've tried. xmas74 Jul 2012 #20
Sorry to hear that. whathehell Jul 2012 #21
Guns and God group. xmas74 Jul 2012 #22
Oh Gawd...no pun intended. whathehell Jul 2012 #23
Nope. xmas74 Jul 2012 #24
I get it....n/t whathehell Jul 2012 #25
I have many times. These days I don't feel like a have to. It's usually brewens Jul 2012 #8
All of you make the argument Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2012 #9
I agree to all of that. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #10
I worked in a hospital once - visiting patients every day Smilo Jul 2012 #11
o.O Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #12
Yes. Zorra Jul 2012 #13
"an obsessively reliable hopeless responsibility freak." Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #14
Not to bring up a sore subject whathehell Jul 2012 #16
Actually, a lot of the guys in my family are work hogs. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #18
Yeah, you may have something there...My spouse has to be REALLY sick to take time off whathehell Jul 2012 #19
Two, off the top of my head. But both of them have taken on caregiver roles of some sort, LeftyMom Jul 2012 #32
I fully infer from your post that you have never been a single working parent Zorra Jul 2012 #34
Good inference, but if you never "inferred" that, why would you think i was whathehell Jul 2012 #35
Oh, so very sorry. I totally apologize for misreading your post. Zorra Jul 2012 #36
So very sorry, as well, for using a phrase that whathehell Jul 2012 #38
... Zorra Jul 2012 #49
Hey Zorra whathehell Jul 2012 #50
Yes abelenkpe Jul 2012 #26
Family Leave days should be applied to those times. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #29
I do, but I work at home kdmorris Jul 2012 #31
In the past I have dragged myself into work Rex Jul 2012 #33
Usually One_Life_To_Give Jul 2012 #37
I went to work when I was very sick and very pregnant. I had sick leave, but I felt I had no choice. yardwork Jul 2012 #42
Since being forced to use vacation days for illness... liberal N proud Jul 2012 #51
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