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zazen

(2,978 posts)
3. but I turtle up due to likely consequences
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 12:34 PM
Sep 2012

that I've experienced in the past and will probably happen again (though perhaps not to the same degree.) If I even speak proportionally, I'll be treated as a controlling bitch, or weird, or something. So is that my believing my opinion is inferior or a result of an action by men?

Also, when I was younger and sometimes today, I withhold opinions because it just gives men another avenue through which to hit on me. Like, they think I'm interested in them or something, or they do a teasing thing, or they use it as a reason to e-mail me about the point later. We have to police our words lest they in any way invite unwanted attention, even though it's not our fault. I'm the one who will have to deal with the consequences--no one else.

I guess my choice in the matter is that I don't like interrupting and bloviating, and if I have to do that to talk then I feel like I'm violating my own standards.

Finally, I do think women "control" conversations a lot more than people realize, although it tends to be in a way in which we end up not getting credit. In other words, we make connections between people and topics, suggest new topics, etc. Most of my professional career has involved suggesting things that other people run with, for which they later take full credit. I have the satisfaction of knowing I got my opinion in there to shape things, but then I'm invisible, which today seriously pisses me off and I refuse to do. But I think this has been the pattern of most women throughout history.

Maybe they should also ask who starts topics, not how much airtime is used, because I think that'd show something different.

Not this one! bunnies Sep 2012 #1
All the more reasons tama Sep 2012 #2
but I turtle up due to likely consequences zazen Sep 2012 #3
This, especially-- Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #5
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #9
You are in the wrong place making nasty generalized statements about feminists. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #12
(Not) TrueBlue has had a pizza delivered. Zorra Sep 2012 #19
LOL! Isn't this forum a place of making generalized statements about men? yeswehavenobananas Dec 2012 #25
You seem to have a mistaken impression of what DU is about. DU is not about engaging right wingers stevenleser Dec 2012 #26
And guess what, Sparky? oh reiki ur so fine Dec 2012 #31
You are attacking a posit that I never made, Library girl. DU mail me from your next incarnation... stevenleser Dec 2012 #32
Female group assertiveness, ethnicity and female/male rations kurt_cagle Sep 2012 #4
I have witnessed this TexasProgresive Sep 2012 #6
Thanks TexasProgresive. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #7
Well I didn't until I was in listening mode. TexasProgresive Sep 2012 #8
Equality TrueBlue2012 Sep 2012 #10
As the saying goes, ya ain't gotta go home, but you can't stay here. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #13
Unfortunately, the jury came up 3-3 but this troll has been MIRTED. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #14
Thanks to MIRt. yardwork Sep 2012 #15
Emilyg, is that you? yardwork Sep 2012 #18
This is why whenever I am in a meeting and there are women not speaking up or being talked over stevenleser Sep 2012 #11
That's good! Often women have something important to contribute. yardwork Sep 2012 #16
I tend to talk less when there are all men in the room kdmorris Sep 2012 #17
I worked in a medium-sized company where most of the professionals and managers were women. Gormy Cuss Sep 2012 #20
"They're groomed for assertiveness since birth" is true of a lot of men, but not all... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #21
As a former Union Rep Jasana Nov 2012 #22
That's been my experience too. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #23
i have taken note sigmasix Nov 2012 #24
I am happy to say that is not the case at my university. Deep13 Dec 2012 #27
I'm speechless around women Eyes of the World Dec 2012 #28
Yes, their lungs are bigger, that one tends to get me; elleng Dec 2012 #29
I've had two different situations in school. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #30
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