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kurt_cagle

(534 posts)
4. Female group assertiveness, ethnicity and female/male rations
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 12:42 PM
Sep 2012

Likely. I think it becomes more pronounced when you add in ethnic origin. I work on a number of large enterprise level contracts where a significant portion of the workforce is not white-anglo, and is perhaps 70/30 men to women ratio. White women are perhaps the most demonstrative, followed by native-born black women, in these settings, but even there it is rare that they initiate discussion and they end up participating in the conversation less than the number of women would predict.

You get outside of those two primary groups, and the participation rate drops off even faster - the project we have is done by an Indian owned company, so a significantly higher proportion of the workforce there is Indian than is usual for most US companies. In this setting Indian women are very much marginalized, tend to be highly deferential to their male colleagues, and very seldom attempt to steer the conversation.

Societal male to female ratios may affect that as well. With a different project with a large number of senior Vietnamese participants of both genders, Vietnamese women tended to be far more assertive than was typical, albeit still differential. Given that the female to male ratio in Vietnam was skewed heavily towards women after the wars in the 60s and 70s took out a significant percentage of Vietnamese men (and given that most of the participants in these organizations came to the US after the fall of Saigan) the unusual assertiveness is likely an artifact of that high ratio. The very subtle shift towards about a 1.5% advantage for women vs. men in the US may also be instrumental in decreasing the assertiveness of American women, especially as this is abetted by a higher percentage of women than men in college, which tends to promote assertiveness and the challenging of authority figures.

Not this one! bunnies Sep 2012 #1
All the more reasons tama Sep 2012 #2
but I turtle up due to likely consequences zazen Sep 2012 #3
This, especially-- Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #5
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #9
You are in the wrong place making nasty generalized statements about feminists. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #12
(Not) TrueBlue has had a pizza delivered. Zorra Sep 2012 #19
LOL! Isn't this forum a place of making generalized statements about men? yeswehavenobananas Dec 2012 #25
You seem to have a mistaken impression of what DU is about. DU is not about engaging right wingers stevenleser Dec 2012 #26
And guess what, Sparky? oh reiki ur so fine Dec 2012 #31
You are attacking a posit that I never made, Library girl. DU mail me from your next incarnation... stevenleser Dec 2012 #32
Female group assertiveness, ethnicity and female/male rations kurt_cagle Sep 2012 #4
I have witnessed this TexasProgresive Sep 2012 #6
Thanks TexasProgresive. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #7
Well I didn't until I was in listening mode. TexasProgresive Sep 2012 #8
Equality TrueBlue2012 Sep 2012 #10
As the saying goes, ya ain't gotta go home, but you can't stay here. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #13
Unfortunately, the jury came up 3-3 but this troll has been MIRTED. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #14
Thanks to MIRt. yardwork Sep 2012 #15
Emilyg, is that you? yardwork Sep 2012 #18
This is why whenever I am in a meeting and there are women not speaking up or being talked over stevenleser Sep 2012 #11
That's good! Often women have something important to contribute. yardwork Sep 2012 #16
I tend to talk less when there are all men in the room kdmorris Sep 2012 #17
I worked in a medium-sized company where most of the professionals and managers were women. Gormy Cuss Sep 2012 #20
"They're groomed for assertiveness since birth" is true of a lot of men, but not all... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #21
As a former Union Rep Jasana Nov 2012 #22
That's been my experience too. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #23
i have taken note sigmasix Nov 2012 #24
I am happy to say that is not the case at my university. Deep13 Dec 2012 #27
I'm speechless around women Eyes of the World Dec 2012 #28
Yes, their lungs are bigger, that one tends to get me; elleng Dec 2012 #29
I've had two different situations in school. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #30
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