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In reply to the discussion: It’s Time For No-Wave Feminism [View all]

ChaRipley

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65. Tides that ebb and flow
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:56 PM
Oct 2012

Very interesting line of thought. Scholars mark theoretical waves of feminism as if the ocean's tide (women's movement) was in retreat thus, needing to recoil its energy from the abyss only to return with momentum enough to swing the pendulum. Perhaps, theorists needed to retreat to address matters of transcendentalism or metaphysical universals, but the women never stopped their activism. Shall I say it again? They did not stop their activism nor did they disband all organizations. Instead, when dispersal of women (note that division has always been) occurred upon ratification of the Nineteenth Amendment, most women thought equality had been won. Pathways opened wide for women to leave the 72-year long struggle and pursue their personal interests in women's rights (which is what we see in organizations today on a domestic and international scale). The division (protective legislators/difference fems vs egalitarian fems) survived and thrived through the 1920's (crash of 1929) and began international campaigns for equality (man's life should not be more valuable than a woman's) with the Equal Rights Amendment (Alice Paul). Of course, the difference fems, so closely aligned with labor unions (Women's Bureau of Labor), was a staunch opposition for equality fems. The political party in power (Dems) were closely aligned with labor unions (as they are today), and President Roosevelt's administration financially benefited from this alignment. Eleanor Roosevelt, aligned with the League of Women's Voters (aka NAWSA - Carrie Chapman Catt), became the most antagonistic of all to the ERA amendment; the ERA threatened to wipe out protective legislation that limited women in the workforce (yes, limited and not helped). Hard to imagine the lady so closely associated with the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights in opposition to the women's equality principle within her own country. The waves are symbolic of scholar-activists that attempt to 'box in' the movement as if boundaries ever existed. It gave them ample time to theorize and develop scientific reasoning that worked to oppose women at every turn. It didn't work. While a dry spell occurred from 1896 to 1910, there was no other period of inactivity. I agree with the eradication of the wave concept...it was more of an ebb and flow that did turn and continues to turn the tides of women's social, political, and economic legitimacy.

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It’s Time For No-Wave Feminism [View all] justiceischeap Feb 2012 OP
Gee, I learned something new. New wave or old wave or post feminists. I never thought of it that southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #1
This will take trust, and calm, and a thick skin seabeyond Feb 2012 #2
I totally agree... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #3
Thank you and you're welcome. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #4
i think this is where presumptions and misconceptions come in seabeyond Feb 2012 #5
My thinking goes along similar lines... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #7
and what I see is self-interest iverglas Feb 2012 #50
I'm going to comment here... redqueen Feb 2012 #55
Thanks for your well-thought out reply. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #56
Understood redqueen Feb 2012 #57
I'm sorry, after all the animus expressed over the last however many days Remember Me Feb 2012 #6
It should be offensive Remember Me justiceischeap Feb 2012 #8
It isn't unique to women, or feminism. redqueen Feb 2012 #9
I understand it isn't unique to women or feminism justiceischeap Feb 2012 #10
I can HONESETLY say that women are no different from men in that regard Remember Me Feb 2012 #11
You're avoiding/ignoring the point justiceischeap Feb 2012 #12
And one could also argue Remember Me Feb 2012 #42
Justice is cheap and goes to the highest bidder justiceischeap Feb 2012 #43
You know, it wasn't meant as a put down Remember Me Feb 2012 #44
Nor did I take it as a put down justiceischeap Feb 2012 #45
I have issue with it iverglas Feb 2012 #51
agree with this article maddezmom Feb 2012 #13
Thank you for taking the time to read it justiceischeap Feb 2012 #14
I've be doing a lot of reading maddezmom Feb 2012 #38
Great article! Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #15
I think that happens to most adults justiceischeap Feb 2012 #17
because someone disagrees, does not mean they are fools though, necessarily. seabeyond Feb 2012 #19
Thanks sea, but I didn't say that justiceischeap Feb 2012 #25
Yes. We stand together or we fall alone. yardwork Feb 2012 #16
Gotta love a "Lost" reference justiceischeap Feb 2012 #18
I wasn't! Help! I've never seen Lost. Who is Jack? yardwork Feb 2012 #20
Go to Netflix now and get Season One! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #21
I dropped my netflix account so that I could afford to buy a star on DU! lol! yardwork Feb 2012 #22
Check the library! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #24
Great idea but I seriously don't own a TV. LOL! yardwork Feb 2012 #28
Only if your computer has a DVD drive justiceischeap Feb 2012 #32
It does! I remember now that's why I realized that I didn't need a TV or cable. yardwork Feb 2012 #33
i could easily get rid of cable and the tv. we only have it because seabeyond Feb 2012 #36
I realized how much I was spending on cable and I never used the TV, so I gave it away. yardwork Feb 2012 #37
There was a TV show on ABC called "Lost" justiceischeap Feb 2012 #23
Thanks! Now I get it. yardwork Feb 2012 #27
Good examples, especially "The Handmaid's Tale". Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #26
Ever since 2000 I think about The Handmaid's Tale all the time. yardwork Feb 2012 #29
She sure did! Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #30
Is it worth the read? justiceischeap Feb 2012 #31
It's great. I don't think it's dry at all. yardwork Feb 2012 #34
Zillion times better than the movie obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #35
It's super-good. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #39
Great article! Lisa D Feb 2012 #40
You're welcome justiceischeap Feb 2012 #41
The main thrust of this seems to be - don't be nasty, redqueen Feb 2012 #46
I don't know that the author was actually proposing a new name justiceischeap Feb 2012 #47
there's nothing as women or individuals we can do to avoid being stereotyped seabeyond Feb 2012 #48
So you think people won't always stereotype other people? justiceischeap Feb 2012 #49
look at the difference to what i replied to. seabeyond Feb 2012 #52
I agree, we must always try combating stereotypes justiceischeap Feb 2012 #53
of course they do. hence the battle. and women are less intelligent than man, not capable of seabeyond Feb 2012 #54
In theory should be easy since there is much agreement by all who want to advance womens equality stevenleser Feb 2012 #58
i think that is all pretty much a given... steven. agreed. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #59
Is conflict inherently bad? redqueen Feb 2012 #60
Either way works for me. stevenleser Feb 2012 #61
Hey Stevenleser justiceischeap Feb 2012 #62
I think I do have a slight preference for a more civilized discussion with less argument. stevenleser Feb 2012 #63
justice Whisp Feb 2012 #64
Tides that ebb and flow ChaRipley Oct 2012 #65
What I think is really sad about this is, there are wide areas of agreement across waves stevenleser Oct 2012 #66
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