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johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
23. I don't condone the 'boys will be boys' mindset but people will exploit you on the internet
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:32 PM
Oct 2012

We can shout all day "THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS TO HER!" & they shouldn't have.
Nobody is in favor of bullies & stalkers.

But it's the same thing as telling your 6 year old not to talk to strangers.
Same thing as telling your 6 year old not to tell random strangers where you live.
It's because there is danger in this world & everybody is not going to be ethical & respectful.

With the internet once it's out there it's out there.
I could go track the guy down & make him pay legally for posting my girl's pic in his avatar.
But what if he's already copied & reproduced that pic in other places on the net?
You can't track all of that down.

I used to put a picture of my face on my Yahoo profile until I realized how someone could use this pic outside of where I intended it.
I removed my picture so it wouldn't be abused like that.
When I first got on the internet I was working on a project & posted my entire address in some random forum looking to make a contact.
Years later I had some internet stalker post that same address in hopes of scaring me off a discussion group.
They couldn't win the debate so they tried to intimidate me by posting my address.
I learned soon after posting that address that I was not supposed to post addresses online & stopped doing it.
But it didn't matter. They dug it up & threw it back in my face. All those years later.

It's like Whack-A-Mole.
You can stop this one but you can't stop the other one that pops up.

I really don't think kids should be on Facebook & Twitter & stuff like that because of how those services make it so easy to broadcast everything to everybody. Kids just don't have good judgment about stuff like this.
But that's not a realistic answer either.
That's reactionary & my post was looking for a smarter solution.

Yeah boys do the same thing & post sexual pics & vids when they hit puberty too.
I was keeping it on topic since this was a girl.
Didn't say she was stupid. I said she made a mistake & didn't feel she had anyone to talk it through.

What would I have done if it was my girl?
Well, my girl would be well versed into understanding how the internet works.
She would know that once something is posted on here it's FOREVER.
I would run through it with her BEFORE she got into her teens. And DURING.
I would not quarantine her from the internet but teach her how to use it responsibly.
I would also have her mother explain how taking cutesy sexy pics & posting them online invites creepers, stalkers, & pedophiles.
If she still made the mistake of posting a sexy pic online ('cause kids don't always heed caution), I would do my best to track the person down who reposted it & have that person be dealt with legally while petitioning for his pics to be removed from the archives.
I would re-explain my position on the permanence of the internet to her showing her by example that I wasn't blowing smoke out of my ass.
I would comfort her if the embarrassment gets to be too much to deal with.
I would then teach her how to deal with any backlash that may come from her momentary mistake.
I would not permanently remove access to the internet from her but may keep her from using it in my house temporarily as punishment.

But if I'm effective in teaching her what the internet's about I won't have to go through half of those steps.

It was less the vid that killed this girl. It was more the harassment from the schoolkids.
But kids have ALWAYS had to deal with harassment from schoolkids.
I dealt with it & I would teach my girl how to weather those predictable storms.

It's not realistic to get into the Whack-A-Mole game trying to individually go after each kid that posted poison bleach pics & said mean things. There will always be more kids jumping on the bandwagon.
You gotta teach your kids how to not let that talk affect you.

Take the case of Paris Jackson, Michael Jackson's daughter.
When he was alive this girl was not online.
He valued his privacy & didn't want to endanger his children with that fishbowl nonsense he had to deal with all of his life.
Then he died.

Afterwards somehow Paris Jackson starts up a Twitter account & posts pics online.
She willingly walks right into the fishbowl that Michael quarantined her from all her life.
The older she gets, the more cutesy her pics.
Showing off her eyes, making kissy faces, showing off her makeup.
It's mild but she is doing the same thing kids do at that age: evaluating her sexual appeal AKA trying to see how cute she can look.

When the whole thing about the Jacksons blew up this summer, here's Paris online tweeting all kinds of words on Twitter & inviting the media hounds into the family business.
What Michael spent his entire life trying to protect her from, she willingly walks towards.
He was so private & she is so public.
And at 14 years old, you're gonna have a hard time getting her to understand the consequences of her online actions as mild as they may be.
If you try to take it away from her, then she'll rebel & try to do it anyway through someone else.
She may lay low for awhile but in the future she'll learn to be more discreet so her grandmother doesn't find out what she's doing.

Because Michael forbid any contact with online services like these, she couldn't wait to jump into a world she never got to know.
When kids are forbidden something all you do is make it more attractive to them.
And when they get a taste & they're gonna jump right in headlong.
Both of Paris' parents were private. Her mother Debbie Rowe is so private that people barely know who she is.
So naturally Paris the child will be opposite of them.

We live in a internet world now & you better be REALISTIC on how it works.
You better prepare your kids how to deal with this world & its aftereffects.
I'm an adult & I don't like Facebook. I don't like a lot of this Web 2.0 crap.
Too invasive. Too automatically public. Too dismissive of the concept of social circles.
Hell, I don't even own a cellphone! Much less a smartphone.

Now when you watch YouTube videos, Google wants you to input your mobile number—just in case you forget your password—and now wants you to post your real name in place of your username.
They want things even MORE connected than ever before.

Either you live like the Amish & stay away from the internet or you deal with the reality of how it works.
Saying "THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS TO HER!!" ain't gonna protect your daughter from crap like this.
Once it's out there it's out there.
John Lucas

A shame on many levels Doctor_J Oct 2012 #1
The Internet has Cons as well as Pros. It amplifies schoolyard stuff exponentially johnlucas Oct 2012 #2
Actually, I would just show teens this story . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #4
It'll stop a few. But people always think things like this won't happen to them...until it does johnlucas Oct 2012 #5
No, I think if you look at . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #6
Well what about sexting between teens? johnlucas Oct 2012 #7
Sexting is why you show them this story. caseymoz Oct 2012 #9
End discussion, sure. But you're not accounting for human nature johnlucas Oct 2012 #10
And PS: You don't listen to anybody.nt caseymoz Oct 2012 #13
Nor do you... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #35
Not just on those who harrassed her but the blackmailing stalker himself johnlucas Oct 2012 #36
This is the saddest story I've seen in a long time. caseymoz Oct 2012 #3
Ican't even dwell on "What instinct was triggered here" Catherina Oct 2012 #15
I just had to explain to a 17 year old on my Facebook LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #8
+1 ~ ^This^ Zorra Oct 2012 #11
So much this. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #12
Thank you. THIS ^^^^ Catherina Oct 2012 #14
Doesn't make it right but it's going to happen if you expose yourself on the internet johnlucas Oct 2012 #20
Your answers are very... polite Catherina Oct 2012 #21
I don't condone the 'boys will be boys' mindset but people will exploit you on the internet johnlucas Oct 2012 #23
"All of it for the mighty dick that can't control itself." KatyaR Oct 2012 #27
And we as a society have the choice to make life more difficult for the stalker Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #22
Yes, I'm in favor of laws addressing internet stalking johnlucas Oct 2012 #24
It's possible to hunt down and identify individual stalkers within national borders Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #34
Well let's work on the ones within the national borders johnlucas Oct 2012 #48
I don't think that the fear of making the internet less free is a valid argument against privacy law Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #49
As long as it's smart regulation I'm down johnlucas Oct 2012 #54
I don't think Obama will do anything about it, nor do I expect Congress to act. Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #60
No, the answer was to expose this guy who threatened her about the pics johnlucas Oct 2012 #26
The fact that she was taken advantage of by a perverted pedo LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #28
I don't mind having this discussion. I welcome it. johnlucas Oct 2012 #30
I am too ill to type out a response tonight LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #32
Cultures were formed from environmental & biological settings johnlucas Oct 2012 #33
I'm beginning to think you might be in the wrong place LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #37
Misunderstandings here. Listen to what I say johnlucas Oct 2012 #45
I'll watch for it then LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #46
Here it is LadyHawkAZ johnlucas Oct 2012 #55
"No matter how you put it Masculine is designed to attract Feminine & Feminine is designed to Zorra Oct 2012 #50
I'll invite you to that thread me & LadyHawkAZ will talk in johnlucas Oct 2012 #51
John? Please, consider that you are a man, making repeated, assertive, absolute statements to a Zorra Oct 2012 #52
Oh so just because it comes from a man, it's to be discarded? johnlucas Oct 2012 #53
LOL! Oh, my. No, Zorra Oct 2012 #58
I touch on the control of female sexaulity & homophobia in that thread I made for LadyHawkAZ johnlucas Oct 2012 #59
Zorra? MadrasT Oct 2012 #56
In wake of Amanda Todd suicide, House of Commons to debate anti-bullying bill Catherina Oct 2012 #16
Amanda Todd still a target of vile online abuse - on FB page set up in memory of teen 'found hanged Catherina Oct 2012 #17
This is how people are on the internet. That's why I talked about preventive techniques johnlucas Oct 2012 #25
It just gets worse :( Catherina Oct 2012 #18
'It got traced to somebody in the United States' Catherina Oct 2012 #19
It just gets worse and worse Catherina Oct 2012 #29
The problem with an Anonymous organization LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #38
Totally agreed Catherina Oct 2012 #39
They're doing some policing today Catherina Oct 2012 #43
About time n/t LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #44
Good...about time they did some fucking self-policing Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #57
huh? 4chan IS "anonymous" Batman bin Suparman Oct 2012 #47
This is seriously depressing Catherina Oct 2012 #31
How fucking sick and tragic. I cannot believe this. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #61
It's very hard to believe. Catherina Mar 2013 #63
Man fired for posting negative comments on Amanda Todd's memorial page Catherina Oct 2012 #40
Two of her tormentors have been named Catherina Oct 2012 #41
As far as I am concerned, her tormenters should be shot. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #62
I updated the original since the first video link is no longer working Catherina Mar 2013 #64
One alleged tormentor was in court yesterday on charges of sexually interfering with another minor Catherina Oct 2012 #42
Just found this thread... TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #65
Bumping your thread Catherina, because at least a bit of justice for Amanda has begun. polly7 Apr 2014 #66
I don't know why I'm surprised that it was someone so far away Catherina Apr 2014 #67
Well, that's good news LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #68
Done :) polly7 Apr 2014 #69
Awesome LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #70
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