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LadyHawkAZ

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28. The fact that she was taken advantage of by a perverted pedo
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:38 PM
Oct 2012

and that the perv ought to be sitting in a cell all alone for the next 50 years goes without saying. That stuff's not even up for debate. The misogyny issue arises in the treatment SHE received for HIS actions. And yes, it is a misogyny issue and it has nothing to do with the onset of puberty or the normal sexual interests that arise with puberty. You said it yourself:

It shouldn't give her Scarlet Letter for life & the kids shouldn't treat her as trash because she exposed herself.


Bingo! It becomes even clearer with the later issue of sexual activity with a guy who had a girlfriend- and she took a physical beating for that one. The guy, on the other hand, was not only not condemned for HIS actions (his relationship was HIS responsibility, not Amanda's), but was apparently given a pass by the girlfriend since he showed up with her for that beating. If you want to explain how there's not a massive double standard in all of this, go ahead, but I'll probably laugh at you.

We live in a society that still bases the worth of a female on her appearance, with standards for that appearance that are impossible to meet. This is what an insecure young girl is going to worry most about, no matter what the problems in her life actually are, because this is the standard that our media-driven society sets- no matter what your problems are, they would all be solved if you were only more perfect, more beautiful. Everyone would like you, everyone would be your friend, if you just were thinner or your breasts were bigger/smaller or your nose was more straight or your hair would just curl or your skin never had a zit or pores... That's how predators like the one that got to Amanda are able to operate- any insecure young girl is going to feel inadequate and ashamed of her body, so it's not that difficult to talk her into showing more than she should by telling her how beautiful that "imperfect" body is. The internet has made access easier, true, but you really think this stuff didn't happen back in the days of Polaroids? Or before? The Catholic Church built a highly profitable industry around stealing the babies from young, unmarried girls that got caught in that trap and got pregnant, and it lasted for generations.

And married to that impossibly high standard of physical beauty, which could probably be dealt with by itself, is the old, tired, worn-out madonna/whore complex that waits quietly in the wings until you DO develop those lovely sexual features, then condemns you for using them. THIS is what got Amanda in the end- not just showing her breasts, but the firestorm of slut-shame that resulted from it. Men do not have a similar standard. We just had a thread recently on a schoolteacher being fired because of underwear modeling she'd done 17 years earlier- compare that to the fate of a man who posed nude in his 20's:



Meet Senator Scott Brown. That behavior, which condemns a woman for displaying the same sexuality it demands that she have yet applauds a man for the same action, is not biological behavior. It's cultural. Were it not for that sad old madonna/whore complex that we've raised our children on, combined with a cultural delight in tormenting those we consider "lesser" or "different", that picture wouldn't have been such an issue with her peers.

You could wipe out the Internet tomorrow and those issues would still be a problem, because that is how our society is structured. Female sexuality is still condemned, even in one as young as Amanda was, even if it's through no fault of her own. This is not the fault of the Internet, but of the attitude her torturers were raised on.

And the mindset doesn't develop in a vacuum. Babies don't look at other babies with no shirt on and think "what a slut!". We teach our daughters to be ashamed of their sexuality, and to shame other girls for theirs. You yourself have chosen to place the blame on her parents for allowing her Internet access, yet the kids who bullied and beat her also had parents and they are not mentioned-neither are the school officials who knew this was going on. You've fallen into the same trap that the article discusses; while you're progressive enough not to blame a 12 year old child, you've chosen to aim for the next closest target rather than place that blame where it belongs. Let that one sink in for a minute. That's what we're talking about, that's what the article is talking about. The immediate inclination is to place at least some kind of blame on the victim, or those in charge of the victim, instead of the people who committed the crimes. Why do you suppose that is?

That's what we mean by misogyny.

I am once again posting exhausted when I know I shouldn't be, so I can't gauge how much sense I'm making. Hopefully at least some. Anything that wasn't clear can be fixed in the morning.

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A shame on many levels Doctor_J Oct 2012 #1
The Internet has Cons as well as Pros. It amplifies schoolyard stuff exponentially johnlucas Oct 2012 #2
Actually, I would just show teens this story . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #4
It'll stop a few. But people always think things like this won't happen to them...until it does johnlucas Oct 2012 #5
No, I think if you look at . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #6
Well what about sexting between teens? johnlucas Oct 2012 #7
Sexting is why you show them this story. caseymoz Oct 2012 #9
End discussion, sure. But you're not accounting for human nature johnlucas Oct 2012 #10
And PS: You don't listen to anybody.nt caseymoz Oct 2012 #13
Nor do you... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #35
Not just on those who harrassed her but the blackmailing stalker himself johnlucas Oct 2012 #36
This is the saddest story I've seen in a long time. caseymoz Oct 2012 #3
Ican't even dwell on "What instinct was triggered here" Catherina Oct 2012 #15
I just had to explain to a 17 year old on my Facebook LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #8
+1 ~ ^This^ Zorra Oct 2012 #11
So much this. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #12
Thank you. THIS ^^^^ Catherina Oct 2012 #14
Doesn't make it right but it's going to happen if you expose yourself on the internet johnlucas Oct 2012 #20
Your answers are very... polite Catherina Oct 2012 #21
I don't condone the 'boys will be boys' mindset but people will exploit you on the internet johnlucas Oct 2012 #23
"All of it for the mighty dick that can't control itself." KatyaR Oct 2012 #27
And we as a society have the choice to make life more difficult for the stalker Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #22
Yes, I'm in favor of laws addressing internet stalking johnlucas Oct 2012 #24
It's possible to hunt down and identify individual stalkers within national borders Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #34
Well let's work on the ones within the national borders johnlucas Oct 2012 #48
I don't think that the fear of making the internet less free is a valid argument against privacy law Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #49
As long as it's smart regulation I'm down johnlucas Oct 2012 #54
I don't think Obama will do anything about it, nor do I expect Congress to act. Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #60
No, the answer was to expose this guy who threatened her about the pics johnlucas Oct 2012 #26
The fact that she was taken advantage of by a perverted pedo LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #28
I don't mind having this discussion. I welcome it. johnlucas Oct 2012 #30
I am too ill to type out a response tonight LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #32
Cultures were formed from environmental & biological settings johnlucas Oct 2012 #33
I'm beginning to think you might be in the wrong place LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #37
Misunderstandings here. Listen to what I say johnlucas Oct 2012 #45
I'll watch for it then LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #46
Here it is LadyHawkAZ johnlucas Oct 2012 #55
"No matter how you put it Masculine is designed to attract Feminine & Feminine is designed to Zorra Oct 2012 #50
I'll invite you to that thread me & LadyHawkAZ will talk in johnlucas Oct 2012 #51
John? Please, consider that you are a man, making repeated, assertive, absolute statements to a Zorra Oct 2012 #52
Oh so just because it comes from a man, it's to be discarded? johnlucas Oct 2012 #53
LOL! Oh, my. No, Zorra Oct 2012 #58
I touch on the control of female sexaulity & homophobia in that thread I made for LadyHawkAZ johnlucas Oct 2012 #59
Zorra? MadrasT Oct 2012 #56
In wake of Amanda Todd suicide, House of Commons to debate anti-bullying bill Catherina Oct 2012 #16
Amanda Todd still a target of vile online abuse - on FB page set up in memory of teen 'found hanged Catherina Oct 2012 #17
This is how people are on the internet. That's why I talked about preventive techniques johnlucas Oct 2012 #25
It just gets worse :( Catherina Oct 2012 #18
'It got traced to somebody in the United States' Catherina Oct 2012 #19
It just gets worse and worse Catherina Oct 2012 #29
The problem with an Anonymous organization LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #38
Totally agreed Catherina Oct 2012 #39
They're doing some policing today Catherina Oct 2012 #43
About time n/t LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #44
Good...about time they did some fucking self-policing Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #57
huh? 4chan IS "anonymous" Batman bin Suparman Oct 2012 #47
This is seriously depressing Catherina Oct 2012 #31
How fucking sick and tragic. I cannot believe this. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #61
It's very hard to believe. Catherina Mar 2013 #63
Man fired for posting negative comments on Amanda Todd's memorial page Catherina Oct 2012 #40
Two of her tormentors have been named Catherina Oct 2012 #41
As far as I am concerned, her tormenters should be shot. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #62
I updated the original since the first video link is no longer working Catherina Mar 2013 #64
One alleged tormentor was in court yesterday on charges of sexually interfering with another minor Catherina Oct 2012 #42
Just found this thread... TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #65
Bumping your thread Catherina, because at least a bit of justice for Amanda has begun. polly7 Apr 2014 #66
I don't know why I'm surprised that it was someone so far away Catherina Apr 2014 #67
Well, that's good news LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #68
Done :) polly7 Apr 2014 #69
Awesome LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #70
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