Feminists

What I'm hearing from Pri and justiceischeap is that asking them to divorce their LGBT identities from the argument is too much and I agree.

... is nobody asking them to do anything of the sort.

What I'm hearing is them saying they place their interests re those identities above the interests of women -- and I have been trying to figure out what the hell that means and having no success whatsoever.

I have absolutely no clue where they see divergences or conflicts, and what would then prompt them to privilege one over the other.

There is no conflict whatsoever, not a stitch of an iota of conflict, between working to advance the formal equality interests of the GLBT community and any element of a feminist agenda, or analysis, or ideology, or philosophy. And that's the only thing I've got so far.


It seems to be that none of us want to have an SoP so open that it allows for raging, off-topic feuds but we do want to hear, digest, and debate issues from accepted feminist POVs (accepted as in academia includes them as feminist thought) rather than just sticking to the orthodoxy we personally accept.

WHAT orthodoxy? What are we talking about????

I have no clue. I simply have no clue.

All I have is the very, very strong feeling that we are talking about the same old tired thing without naming it: that "we" are not sex-positive, and they are, and so our objections to prostitution and pornography and objectification in all its forms are bad and we are to be dismissed. And denigrated in public whenever possible.

The people posting here have attacked several of us in public repeatedly, not least this week. What on earth do they expect us to be doing? Not asking why??

I have never, ever seen an effort from that "side" to engage on those issues - to listen, to acknowledge legitimacy. I have seen organized attacks and that is all. Maybe I missed something.

I was perfectly happy with the forum muddling along with random topics of conversation. None of the LBGT group seemed the slightest bit interested in joining in then, and I don't recall anything being said or to them up until now. What brought this on now? I think it's clear. They didn't succeed in attacking other feminists in public and then going off to their private place and continuing the attack and not getting called on any of it. Suddenly they want to join in all the reindeer games.

Has Priyanka answered seabeyond's question about the reason for the unprovoked attack on her in the beauty pageant thread? Having had numerous opportunities to do that? I'll have to go have a look again.

Shall I stay or shall I go? I've never "gone" at DU, just wandered off for a few weeks or months when I got bored or annoyed enough. Then wandered back in for the same reasons. The pattern will likely continue.