Feminists

And of course we all know who they are, or will just take it on faith.

Look, let me be clear. There are people who I want to be so uncomfortable it itches if they even click on this forum. I've just been spending a pleasant time reading some very old threads in the Feminists forum. Some real pieces of work there. And some of them were in fact men, by their profiles.

You've posted in about 6 times as many threads in Guns as in Feminists -- Guns must have been more pleasant. rofl. In Feminists, 3 from 26 Aug to 21 Sep 2005, all on pregnancy-related issues. The threads seem quite tame. The whole sex-positive assault team garbage happened in 2007. Maybe you missed it. In which case you don't know what we're talking about. Something suddenly happened in in September 2005 to put you off Feminists?

This really may not be clear to some.

What didn't happen was that a bunch of feminists got together in the Feminists group and started bashing minority feminists. What happend was that all over DU, "sex-positive feminists", and really we're talking about a very small group, bashed and thrashed (and I don't think they ever did it except in company) women and feminists who raised concerns and issues relating to the victimization and objectification of women in pornography and prostitution. They loves them some porn, and they know lots of happy hookers, and they're self-actualized women, and the rest of us can fuck off and die, and that was the message repeated so long and so loud that it realy was unmistakable to those within earshot. No conversation could be had that examined the issues and identified the problems and considered solutions without their utterly self-absorbed, rude, nasty, pointless disruption.

Now, I was not an earliest joiner at Feminists. I see indications that there were divisions along the lines being alleged here. I can't access Archives at old DU so I can't pinpoint it, if it's there. I see allegations, like I'm seeing here, about the straighties not recognizing the legitimacy of the others' concerns, and so on. But I can't tell whether those allegations are true and fair because I do not know what they were, other than these same non-specific expressions of grievance that we are seeing here.

I and the others trying to figure it out are stuck. We are presumably being asked to apologise for or atone for or swear off behaviours that we are in complete darkness about.

On the other hand, the behaviours we find problematic, that have gone on this very week, and that goddamn it are problematic on their face, to put it very mildly, have not been apologised for, have not even been explained.

If someone was even falsly accused of being a man trolling the group for the lulz, well cheez, it doesn't sound like their behaviour was, er, very ladylike.