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JackintheGreen

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35. Hrm...I thought the grammar of the clause was reasonably clear
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:46 PM
Aug 2017

but on rereading I can see where confusion might arise. Typically, at least the way I was taught, dependent clauses support the adjacent noun/clause, in this case "...the Greek classics." But then, these rules don't count for as much as they did when I was in grammar class. (That's both a poorly veiled commentary on the degradation of grammar and an admission that the rest of the world is not English class.)

To the point, I know that Latin and Greek remained a part of a regular - if not required - Harvard education, for instance, into at least the beginning of the 1950s. I cannot speak with the same certainty much beyond that, so I hedged my bets. You seem to have hooked into the hedge. I know that Greek and Latin continued to be taught in higher secondary schools in parts of Europe (Belgium and The Netherlands for sure) well into the 1960s, with the changes you mention taking hold in the 1970s.

'Inflected": for clarity, I should have used 'influenced,' as it probably would have raised fewer hackles. But 'inflected' does a non-linguistic denotation, in the sense of bending or turning from a course, e.g., the path of an object flying in space passing through the gravity well of the earth would be inflected towards earth. That's a clumsy example, but the usage is true enough. I meant in the sense of "pure" English (whatever the the nine hells that is) was inflected towards Greek rhetorical, not grammatical, structures. Old English (and Saxon and OHG or OI, for that matter) have very different rhetorical structures. Modern English's rhetoric has been inflected, turned towards, the Greek through the layering of "classical" literature since, what, their "rediscovery" Renaissance? I don't know enough about the linguistic collision of Old English and French post-Hastings to be able to say there were no similar influences from OF prior.

I'm using more " than I like in the hopes that I won't be derided for claiming there is a pure English (there isn't), that classical (epoch-wise) literature was ever lost (it wasn't), etc.

Does redundancy constitute bad grammar? [View all] Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 OP
Take it up with the manager of the department of redundancy management department. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2017 #1
Ah, a nitplicker after me own heart Warpy Jul 2017 #2
FDJT? Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #10
Not always bad poetry, I think... Glorfindel Jul 2017 #3
I agree, Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #11
I'm not sure this cyclonefence Jul 2017 #15
You're not full of shit, my dear cyclonefence...not at all Glorfindel Jul 2017 #16
How do you feel about PIN number? cyclonefence Jul 2017 #18
You mean what I have to punch into the ATM machine Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #19
I love her, but listen to Rachel Maddow with your eyes closed... targetpractice Jul 2017 #4
If we "refer back" to the OP, we'll come to a "general consensus" that he has a point. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2017 #5
"Continue on" bugs me. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #9
Back in the sixties, rogerashton Jul 2017 #6
Most of those are okay, Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #12
Doesn't rogerashton Jul 2017 #13
No, it means Jane Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #20
Then there are those who get their panties in a twist over "hot water heater"... Rollo Jul 2017 #7
Every time I say "hot water heater", Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #21
Well, does "cold water heater" make any more sense? Rollo Jul 2017 #25
No, a coffee maker is not called a water heater, although it does heat water. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2017 #31
It depends on the medium. Novels vs. songs vs. ordinary speech unblock Jul 2017 #8
Yeah, right. Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #22
How about menus that offer... 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #14
That drives me up the wall, Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #23
Even worse, I had someone at a very fancy function ask me if I wanted my roast beef "with awe jew" Rollo Jul 2017 #26
Auggghhhh! 3catwoman3 Aug 2017 #28
About that reverse apostrophe... Lionel Mandrake Aug 2017 #32
Thanks for the info and... 3catwoman3 Aug 2017 #33
Yeah, I try to appear knowledgeable even when I'm not. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2017 #34
Sometimes. Igel Jul 2017 #17
It's clear that you know what you are talking about, Lionel Mandrake Jul 2017 #24
While redundancy has its place in poetry.... Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #27
Not a mention of the long history of rhetoric? JackintheGreen Aug 2017 #29
I'm not sure how to parse the 2nd clause in your last sentence. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2017 #30
Hrm...I thought the grammar of the clause was reasonably clear JackintheGreen Aug 2017 #35
Thanks for the clarification. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2017 #36
The RAID insecticide ad slogan meow2u3 Aug 2017 #37
people say I'm redundant prodigitalson Apr 2019 #38
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