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mopinko

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34. good article.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 03:05 PM
Mar 2023

but i must say that for all it’s flaws, it beats freud and the tabula rasa crowd. i find psyche to be the squishiest of the sciences anyway.
the article is a lot deeper dive than i ever took into it. i read ‘the moral animal’ in the clinton years, and a couple other books in that era. so this is a lot more complex than i ever got.

i took away 2 big things-
monkeys invented politics to see who got the girls.
and being a good person is a risky strategy.

the forces at play in growing a human to be altruistic, good, i understand from other sources. i have a fascination w brains. shortly after my 1st kid, the chgo trib did a huge series on new research into fetal development. the big point was about how stressed mothers, specifically the stresses of poverty and big city life, led to shifts in fetal development that pointed to the roots of ‘criminal behavior’. esp the starvation of more complex brain development that is the basis for intelligences. but any kind of stress would apply. stress of a family in crisis is the same no matter how much money you have. money is a cushion but it isnt a shield.
a big chunk of that book is about just that process, in a larger social scope. that’s the part that made an impression on me.

but i dont think you can argue that fear of being a cuck isnt a hardwired part of the male brain. i do take issue w this article on jealousy. saying that gay men see infidelity more like women do, therefore it’s not sex determined but only social, strikes me as quite specious. since we arent talking procreational sex… exception that proves the rule? (no, not a real thing, just saying, you could see it that way.)
other than that, what i know about the subject isnt these deep dives into this behavior or in thst order or any of that. but that’s science for you.


btw- there is a way to change this. not for this gen, maybe but for the next.
the central lesson of all i know is that if all mothers were free of stress, well cared for, fed, not exposed to violence, their babies will be the best they can be.
they wont be hard wired for a hair trigger. for competition. they’ll be hard wired for balance. for cooperation.

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we are a violent species. mopinko Mar 2023 #1
Yes, Putin is not really an exception historically Walleye Mar 2023 #3
Do you think it was at some point a necessity for survival? Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #13
When people get the upper hand they need to push other people around Walleye Mar 2023 #2
it's like w dogs- mopinko Mar 2023 #4
I agree with you on both points there Walleye Mar 2023 #6
well, evolutionary psychology posits mopinko Mar 2023 #12
I never thought of that. Nice. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #15
Evolutionary psychology debunked cbabe Mar 2023 #26
Great article! Thank you. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #30
good article. mopinko Mar 2023 #34
But is that changing? I'm thinking of the women at Abu Ghraib. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #10
yes it is. mopinko Mar 2023 #17
I'm trying to think if I, as a woman, would want to physically dominate people Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #5
I know, but as a rule we physically are superior to children and don't treat them badly Walleye Mar 2023 #7
True. For most of us. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #8
Oh yes that's what makes it so fascinating and so frustrating,a giant moral spectrum good to evil Walleye Mar 2023 #9
And there are backslides. I think we are in a backslide in the US now. That's what prompted the Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #11
i've given it some thought from time to time. lol mopinko Mar 2023 #21
Europe DID go through dreadful suffering for centuries in the middle ages. raging moderate Mar 2023 #14
Everything about European psychology does hark back to Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #16
And re-reading your post, just as violence goes from parent Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #22
Interesting question-I would say it comes from what some call man's original sin - the ego. c-rational Mar 2023 #18
What do you think were the insults to the ego that caused the "othering?" Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #32
Not so much an insult per se, rather just the existence of an ego which fools you into believing c-rational Mar 2023 #33
Fear modrepub Mar 2023 #19
Of what, do you think? I know with Native Americans Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #20
My first known European American immigrant ancestor married an Algonquin lady in Quebec. raging moderate Mar 2023 #23
Of Something Different modrepub Mar 2023 #24
Fear of being absorbed is definitely in there, and we are seeing that surging today. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #31
Conrad believed the origin and true nature of the heart of darkness could never be clearly Martin68 Mar 2023 #25
I did not know this. And he certainly made a study of it. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #27
Pretty simple orthoclad Mar 2023 #28
I see your point. I'm thinking of, for example, the Sierra Leone civil war or the Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #29
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