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mahatmakanejeeves

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Mon Nov 19, 2018, 02:35 PM Nov 2018

The Atlantic: The ACLU Declines to Defend Civil Rights [View all]

Finley Peter Dunne .... coined numerous political quips over the years. .... A version of one showed up in a line delivered by Gene Kelly in the 1960 film, Inherit the Wind. Kelly (E.K. Hornbeck) says, "Mr. Brady, it is the duty of a newspaper to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable."

Here's something a lot of DUers will find discomforting.

KC Johnson was a prominent defender of the Duke lacrosse players. He is the author of Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustice of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case.

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Powerful, in @TheAtlantic, from @conor64 on ACLU & new TIX regs: "The ACLU issued a public statement that constituted a stark, shortsighted betrayal of the organization’s historic mission: It vehemently opposed stronger due-process rights for the accused."



IDEAS

The ACLU Declines to Defend Civil Rights
The civil-liberties organization has taken a stand against stronger due-process protections in campus tribunals that undermines its own principles.

9:52 AM ET

Conor Friedersdorf
Staff writer at The Atlantic

Last week, the NRA kept defending gun rights, the AARP kept advocating for older Americans, and the California Avocado Commission was as steadfast as ever in touting “nature’s highest achievement.” By contrast, the ACLU issued a public statement that constituted a stark, shortsighted betrayal of the organization’s historic mission: It vehemently opposed stronger due-process rights for the accused.

The matter began when Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos put forth new guidelines on how to comply with Title IX, the law that forbids colleges that receive federal funding to exclude any students, deny them benefits, or subject them to any discrimination on the basis of sex. ... The most controversial changes concern what happens when a student stands accused of sexual misbehavior. “Under the new rules, schools would be required to hold live hearings and would no longer rely on a so-called single investigator model,” The New York Times reports. “Accusers and students accused of sexual assault must be allowed to cross-examine each other through an adviser or lawyer. The rules require that the live hearings be conducted by a neutral decision maker and conducted with a presumption of innocence. Both parties would have equal access to all the evidence that school investigators use to determine facts of the case, and a chance to appeal decisions.” What’s more, colleges will now have the option to choose a somewhat higher evidentiary standard, requiring “clear and convincing evidence” rather than “a preponderance of the evidence” in order to establish someone’s guilt.

[Emily Yoffe: Reigning in the excesses of Title IX]

The ACLU doesn’t object to any of those due-process protections when a person faces criminal charges. Indeed, it favors an even higher burden of proof, “beyond a reasonable doubt,” to find an individual guilty. ... But the ACLU opposes the new rules for campuses. “Today Secretary DeVos proposed a rule that would tip the scales against those who raise their voices. We strongly oppose it,” the organization stated on Twitter. “The proposed rule would make schools less safe for survivors of sexual assault and harassment, when there is already alarmingly high rates of campus sexual assaults and harassment that go unreported. It promotes an unfair process, inappropriately favoring the accused and letting schools ignore their responsibility under Title IX to respond promptly and fairly to complaints of sexual violence. We will continue to support survivors.”



One line in particular was shocking to civil libertarians: It promotes an unfair process, inappropriately favoring the accused. Since when does the ACLU believe a process that favors the accused is inappropriate or unfair?
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Those protections {afforded the accused in criminal-justice system} are never totally secure. Responding to this very controversy, a federal lawmaker with apparent contempt for the Sixth Amendment has declared:

No survivor should be cross-examined by his or her accused rapist. Ever. Full stop.



One wonders whether that will be the position of the ACLU in the near future—and how much of its staff can be relied on to oppose it vocally even today.

We want to hear what you think about this article. Submit a letter to the editor or write to letters@theatlantic.com.

CONOR FRIEDERSDORF is a staff writer at The Atlantic, where he focuses on politics and national affairs. He lives in Venice, California, and is the founding editor of The Best of Journalism, a newsletter devoted to exceptional nonfiction.
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But they will defend the rights of Nazis to stampede through Charlottesville Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #1
Are you kidding me? This is Devos' attempt to dismantle protections for sexual assault victims hlthe2b Nov 2018 #2
I see your point about this ruling Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #4
I don't always agree witht the cases ACLU takes, but 1st amendment does require them to hlthe2b Nov 2018 #11
They're under an obligation to defend civil liberties, not terrorism or violence Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #12
They aren't defending the Charlottesville groups against anything but 1st amendment rights... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #16
Please, they are and were just using "free speech" as a cover for violence Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #17
ACLU IS NOT defending violence. As you say, any idiot can also see that the right of assembly was hlthe2b Nov 2018 #18
You don't need a crystal ball of intent for these people Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #19
Using putlic impressions of fact even that we can all agree on, does not rise to the level of legal hlthe2b Nov 2018 #20
Who cares? Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #21
Because they are in business of defending civil rights IN COURT CHALLENGES. Do you not get that? hlthe2b Nov 2018 #22
Oh believe me, I let my concerns be known Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #23
Accusing me of spreading "horseshit" when I have been very polite trying to answer your concerns? hlthe2b Nov 2018 #24
I never said you did Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Nov 2018 #26
You think I don't know the ACLU's justification for their position? Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Nov 2018 #31
Oh Jesus Christ. You are hopeless. Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Nov 2018 #33
Um, nope. Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #34
Enjoy conversing to yourself . hlthe2b Nov 2018 #35
This is the second time you've said that Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #36
There's a lot of misunderstanding about what the proposed regulations say. Please see this: mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2018 #5
I am fully aware as I have the actual text and I totally agree with ACLU, with whom I have had hlthe2b Nov 2018 #6
Is the WaPo writer's interpretation wrong? mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2018 #7
It is being non-questioning of the intent and loopholes DeVos is building in... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #8
Full disclosure: I am not in the Betsy DeVos Fan Club. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2018 #9
I wouldn't have expected you would be. I think there is concerted effort to confuse on this. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #10
And I'm glad they do Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #37
I dare you to say that to Heather Heyer's mom. Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #38
My take is that they are against Betsy DeVos' Beakybird Nov 2018 #3
Right. elleng Nov 2018 #14
'But the ACLU opposes the new rules for campuses. elleng Nov 2018 #13
Bad headline, ACLU does NOT decline to defend civil rights. elleng Nov 2018 #15
Thank you for clarifying the ACLU's position. SharonClark Nov 2018 #29
You're welcome. elleng Nov 2018 #30
A bad headline. PoorMonger Nov 2018 #28
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