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jimmy the one

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12. violent crime rates fell dramatically during AWB years
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:43 PM
Aug 2015

Branford: .. gun deaths, and all violent crime, are consistently falling all while the number of guns is steadily increasing, ownership and carry laws pervasively liberalizing (along with the expiration of the Clinton-era "assault weapons" ban), ..

Proof of Branford's duplicity, since the greatest decline in violent crime rate occurred during the 10 year period when the Clinton assault weapon ban was in place - yet above Branford implies that the AWB was counter productive & as a result of it expiring violent crime declined.

Since the early 1960's - with the increasing 'deployment' of semi-auto handguns - the national violent crime rate rose FIVE TIMES and now 2015 remains about twice as high as when guns started their climb to saturate the country. (Gun murder rate will be about 2/3 of murder rates & guncrime rates generally a consistent proportion as well.)
Simply put, in early 1960's the violent crime rate was ~160, today it's double at 368, all the while the "number of guns has been steadily increasing".

Rate...... Violcr ... prop ... murder ... US gunstock
1960 ..... 160.9 1,726.3 5.1 ........ ~75 millions
1964 ..... 190.6 2,197.5 4.9
1975 ..... 487.8 4,810.7 9.6 ........ ~150 mill
1985 ..... 556.6 4,650.5 8.0
1993 ..... 746.8 4,737.7 9.5 ........ ~225 mill
2000 ..... 506.5 3,618.3 5.5
2010 ...... 404.5 2,945.9 4.8 .......... ~300 mill
2013 ..... 367.9 2,730.7 4.5 ........ ~300+ mill

The violent crime rate today is twice what it was in 1960, the property crime rate 50% higher, & the murder rate at parity 10% lower;
... from approx. 1960 to 1993 the national gunstock rose ~200% while the violent crime rate increased near 400%, the murder rate near doubled and the property rate near tripled.
From 1993 to 2013 the violent crime rate decreased approx. 50% while the US gunstock increased approx. 35%.
You cherry pick the years from 1993 to 2013 & praise guns, while ignoring the devastion caused during the rise of the gun 1960s - early 1990s.

Branford: Courtesy of the DOJ (BJS and NIJ) and Pew Research:

Why do you keep posting these links to make it appear they support your premises when they don't? they only supply data & crime statistics. Just a sham.

After accounting for differences in states’ socio-demographic characteristics and economic condition the band leader Aug 2015 #1
Look at the gun death rates by city and county, rather than statewide, branford Aug 2015 #2
Some very informative links TeddyR Aug 2015 #3
Also, check-out this chart comparing gun violence rates to district voting patterns in 2012. branford Aug 2015 #5
branford's bogus chart alert jimmy the one Aug 2015 #10
Speaking of bogus... beevul Aug 2015 #14
Inconvenient truths that can't be obscured via bafflegab are simply ignored friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #17
Per *your own source*, 9 of the 10 lowest crime states are pro gun: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #15
violent crime rates fell dramatically during AWB years jimmy the one Aug 2015 #12
Why doesn't the # of guns in the US correlate with violent crime rates? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #16
...the AWB years, when AR-15 and AK ownership TRIPLED. benEzra Aug 2015 #18
leaving out a lot jimmy the one Aug 2015 #20
Ignorance of Firearms Law, Exhibit A. benEzra Aug 2015 #22
Its a way of muddying the waters. beevul Aug 2015 #6
I note the 80 megaton air burst over Chicago. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #7
After "accounting for socio-demographic characteristics and economic conditions," branford Aug 2015 #8
Basically TeddyR Aug 2015 #9
big discrepancy in charts jimmy the one Aug 2015 #11
I'm so glad you asked. Adressed elsewhere in this thread momentarily. N/T beevul Aug 2015 #13
beevul's blunder, misleading us jimmy the one Aug 2015 #19
Theres no misleading on my part. beevul Aug 2015 #21
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #23
comparing a state with less than 800,000 people to a state with over 38 million people the band leader Aug 2015 #24
"Now what do you have to say, hotshot?" beevul Aug 2015 #26
Jury results beevul Aug 2015 #27
Sad, just sad discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #28
Well...this part is. beevul Aug 2015 #29
Gun laws and non-fatal injuries = Controllers are constantly shooting themselves in the foot. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #4
Repeat of poorly couched/described studies. Nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #25
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