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jimmy the one

(2,714 posts)
63. more like a kiss of death
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:55 AM
Sep 2015

sar: So what is your point ... I wouldn't make lame excuses about them having different opinions than I do on one issue.

You implied I was for two tea party republicans rather than their democrat opponents:

sari wrote: .. so two radical Tea Party Republicans holding senate seats for six years is acceptable because "true Democrats" will always vote for any gun control proposal.

Now present some evidence where I actually said that. Or inferred it. Or hinted at it. Or go soak your head.
How did all this go over your head?: My points were that

1 Those two democrat senators begich & pryor voted with rightwing republicans to help defeat a democrat sponsored bill for background checks. Begich & Pryor voted against the democrat bill and against 95% of American support for the bill,
2 MDA did not withhold support from two true democrats, they withheld support (if so) from two senators with diametrically opposing positions to theirs who voted against the very ideals the MDA group stood for.
3 Do you actually think MDA withholding support (financial or what?) did anything to defeat pryor who lost by ~15 pts? both pryor & begich ran in two heavy republican red states, Arkansas & Alaska.
4 To blame MDA or any of the groups for withholding support is irrelevant & a red herring, & both begich & pryor reaped what they sowed with gun control groups, where it's their prerogative to do with their opinions & money what they want.

I wrote: "YES THEY ARE NOT TRUE DEMOCRATS, but servants of the special interest group which influenced them or paid them, in this case the gun lobby."

they also tried to prevent simple DEBATE: Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) and Sen. Mark Begich (D-AK), joined the majority of Republican Senators who tried to prevent debate, much less a vote, on the bill.

2013: Pryor had a C- nra grade at time of vote; .. Mark Begich, Alaska (NRA Rating: A) at time of vote begich had A-, or AQ, unclear... http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/17/1463981/meet-the-nra-backed-senate-democrats-who-op
http://www.mediaite.com/online/21-nra-a-rated-senators-part-of-68-31-vote-to-defeat-filibuster-of-background-check-bill/pose-obamas-gun-violence-prevention-plan/

sari: I voted for Amy Klobuchar- Extend the ban on assault weapons. (Jan 2006)

What *you* did is irrelevant to anything, & is countered inter alios here on DU apparently by va mtn man, & others I'm sure.
To think that mda withholding support from begich & pryor was instrumental in their defeat is ludicrous; for, to Alaskans & Arkansans to some extent, Shannon watts MDA giving begich & pryor their support would've been more like a kiss of death. I doubt begich & pryor were too upset that MDA didn't support them. Tho perhaps they missed their dollars, eh?

sari: A single issue group will step in and people who are single issue voters will place that issue over political allegiance and support the group regardless of secondary consequences.

Obama stayed out of several congressional races, refusing to endorse or campaign or even appear in the state, for fear of 'single issue' progun backlash (as well as unpopularity in red states). Many politicians stay away for fear of poisoning the well. MDA did not poison the well for begich & pryor, that they were democrats in two red states was poison enough.
No, in pro gun states, MDA supporting a pro gun democrat candidate would be more like a kiss of death; to withhold support would more likely be viewed as HELPING a democrat candidate in a red state, than hurting him.



The anti-gun outlook doesn't give a crap; it's elitist already... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #1
Wonder what he stands to gain from this? What is his ultimate goal. ileus Aug 2015 #2
Just took a look at online Ammo land mag. safeinOhio Aug 2015 #3
Your ignorance of the secondary source, and... beevul Aug 2015 #4
Other than gun issues safeinOhio Aug 2015 #5
If I post about those other things, feel free to call me out on them. beevul Aug 2015 #6
That is his politics, who cares. safeinOhio Aug 2015 #7
Bloomberg is many places besides the East Coast sarisataka Aug 2015 #11
Consult your nearest globe or map. beevul Aug 2015 #13
.fighting to keep a constitutional protected right isn't extreme. safeinOhio Aug 2015 #8
Define 'expanding'. beevul Aug 2015 #9
Cover the sale of all handguns safeinOhio Aug 2015 #10
Somehow, I doubt it would stop there. beevul Aug 2015 #12
I just ignored it when safeinOhio Aug 2015 #14
Thats nice, I ignore irrelevent lines of argument too, like yours. beevul Aug 2015 #15
My gun grabbing buddies? safeinOhio Aug 2015 #16
Wait...me stating the truth, means you struck a nerve? beevul Aug 2015 #17
I have a degree in psy safeinOhio Aug 2015 #18
Theres a difference between namecalling, and describing accurately, many gun control proponents... beevul Aug 2015 #19
LOUD & CLEAR, beevul is LYING jimmy the one Aug 2015 #20
You were alerted on by guess who using the usual passive aggressive alert distortions. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #22
built in bias jimmy the one Aug 2015 #25
Um, blueridge3210 Aug 2015 #26
Um Jimmy, sarisataka Aug 2015 #24
corroborate with a reputable source jimmy the one Aug 2015 #28
I am not twitter savvy sarisataka Aug 2015 #36
verified as bogus? jimmy the one Aug 2015 #37
I posted her resume sarisataka Aug 2015 #38
explain 'this' discrepancy jimmy the one Aug 2015 #30
You explain it. beevul Aug 2015 #31
defunct _by _you jimmy the one Aug 2015 #32
See this post. beevul Aug 2015 #33
shannon 'sez so' is an assertion jimmy the one Aug 2015 #34
Yes. It is. beevul Aug 2015 #35
preponderance of the evidence is for my pov jimmy the one Aug 2015 #39
No. Nonsense is for your POV, and indeed permeates it. beevul Aug 2015 #41
no real evidence whatsoever from beevul jimmy the one Aug 2015 #42
Says the defender of the dishonest antigun org funded by a racist fuckwad. beevul Aug 2015 #43
why is posting far right ideology allowed on DU? jimmy the one Aug 2015 #44
This is the wrong place for that post; you want 'Ask the Administrators', found at... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #45
thanks! for the helpful hint jimmy the one Aug 2015 #46
And thanks in return for *your* helpful hint! I altered the post title #47... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #48
In order to do that, you'd have to lie about me... beevul Sep 2015 #62
Shannon Watts helped to defeat Dems, why are you supporting her at DU? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #47
some democrats - begich & pryor jimmy the one Aug 2015 #49
Ahem. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Gun Control Underground... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #50
height of arrogance jimmy the one Aug 2015 #52
Wow sarisataka Aug 2015 #51
refrain from stupidity please jimmy the one Aug 2015 #53
So what is your point sarisataka Aug 2015 #54
I voted for Ed Markey and Liz Warren, both quite vocal gun control supporters friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #56
more like a kiss of death jimmy the one Sep 2015 #63
Evidence sarisataka Sep 2015 #64
antagonistic rating jimmy the one Sep 2015 #65
If voicing support for sarisataka Sep 2015 #66
funded by independence USA it seems jimmy the one Sep 2015 #68
If it helps you to sleep sarisataka Sep 2015 #69
If anything, it might help me - begich jimmy the one Sep 2015 #71
Democrats were trying sarisataka Sep 2015 #72
"MDA did not work...to get a republican elected" They worked to get Dems *un*-elected... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #70
"MDA did not work against pryor or begich to get a republican elected" Bullshit! friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #67
Refrain from defending people who work against Democrats, please friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #55
Watts did not get *anyone* pro-control elected in those races. Where's the win? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #57
Your're not supposed to notice that sarisataka Aug 2015 #58
Bloomberg won, alright- just not the win his credulous supporters think he wanted friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #59
B-1 sarisataka Aug 2015 #60
You'll call anything you don't agree with 'right wing ideology'. beevul Sep 2015 #61
"background checks on guy buyers. " beergood Sep 2015 #73
The NRA salutes you! Ammoland salutes you! Have you informed Ted Nugent of your brilliance? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #21
spoon feeding jimmy the one Aug 2015 #23
Both Bloomberg and Tom Steyer as billionaires made a difference in Oregon's election in 2014... cascadiance Aug 2015 #29
I helped a bit in passing that law. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #27
Thank you for... virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #40
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