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jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
76. need read more than cliff notes
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:24 AM
Sep 2015

branford: The "popularity" of the AR-15 platform, for whatever reason, is important, if totally not dispositive, in the context of regulation in light of the Heller and McDonald decisions. Whether you or others don't like or agree with the decisions is irrelevant as these holdings are in fact the law of the land

You must've given heller a skim through, missing scalia writing this: Like most rights, the {2ndA} right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

Note: AR15's are not in common use, despite their pseudo 'popularity'; they are in limited use by a small fraction of americans &/or largely far right gun owners who trump up their value; they are best kept in safes due their higher price, predominantly being an upper class white man's toy, where they cannot be so easily stolen, & are best not carried in city or town streets due the alarm caused.

Lawrence Tribe: “Heller recognized that dangerous or unusual weapons may be and have historically been heavily regulated or banned,” Tribe’s testimony runs. “It is not inconceivable – indeed, it seems quite likely – that the court‘s pause to distinguish unusually dangerous weapons from widely possessed handguns had precisely the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, which included a prohibition on high-capacity magazines, in mind. At the very least, the Heller majority recognized that the govt could keep machine guns —M-16 rifles and the like—out of the hands of civilians. The Supreme Court thus emphatically rejected the extravagant, or as Justice Scalia characterized it, startling notion, still promoted by some, that the Second Amendment could fulfill its original purposes only if citizens were guaranteed a right to arm themselves to the teeth, matching in their private armories essentially the full array of weapons possessed by the United States Military.”

Yes Lawrence, some gun enthusiasts want to enjoy all the benefits of possessing many of the more potent military style firearms, without having to serve one single day in any military force, whether army marines navy or well regulated militia.

tribe, cont'd: Even more important to the constitutionality of the assault weapons ban is the absence of any connection to the core {2ndA} right to defend oneself with a firearm. At this committee‘s hearing .. , several witnesses criticized the assault weapons ban on policy grounds, but in my role as a constitutional lawyer listening intently for arguments relevant to the proposal‘s {2ndA} propriety, I was struck by the failure of anyone‘s testimony to support these features as essential to self-defense. In fact, I have searched in vain for any reasoned arguments that pistol grips, forward grips, telescoping stocks, grenade or rocket launchers, and barrel shrouds are indispensable or even contribute to self-defense. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/30/can-the-government-ban-assault-weapons-constitutional-experts-weigh-in/

because Bloomberg wants prohibition gejohnston Sep 2015 #1
Ya' know I didn't meet a single one of your moles there. flamin lib Sep 2015 #2
read the edit gejohnston Sep 2015 #3
You didn't challenge or refute a single point that he made. krispos42 Sep 2015 #4
I should know better and nothing I say here will make the slightest dent in the flamin lib Sep 2015 #6
Thank you. krispos42 Sep 2015 #43
The Lanza commentary alluded to the fact that mass shootings, while spectacular, are a small portion flamin lib Sep 2015 #47
So where do they stand on banning "assault weapons" and normal-capacity magazines? benEzra Sep 2015 #44
Aha, found it. One of the first (or perhaps THE first) ad campaign MDA ever did... benEzra Sep 2015 #48
Yes, an assault weapons ban is one of the items on their long term agenda and I don't care. flamin lib Sep 2015 #49
If that is true Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #51
You win this argument, I'll support you in the quest to ban pistols. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #53
Nice try as I do not call for that Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #54
AWB is a waste of time. Extended magazines not so much. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #56
In your own post today (#49), branford Sep 2015 #57
Awww shit, I get so Goddamn tired of this crap. MDA has a long term goal of an AWB and I don't care flamin lib Sep 2015 #58
If you start a thread about your involvement in a particular group branford Sep 2015 #59
truly amazing Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #61
... oneshooter Sep 2015 #60
"I should not have come here." pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #62
While I may not agree with all of Flamin Lib's positions on firearms, branford Sep 2015 #66
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #68
Bravo!! Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #69
Of course you don't care! pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #64
Then don't pretend it's about "saving lives", since rifles are the least misused of all weapons. benEzra Sep 2015 #67
Is bloomberg giving away triggar locks? Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #5
I'm talking outreach here. Going to the schools and PTA meetings to educate flamin lib Sep 2015 #7
Did you educate on project childsafe? Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #13
This was an organizational meeting so nothing was "educated on". flamin lib Sep 2015 #15
I do not hate Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #16
Really? Coulda' fooled me. The rhetoric seems to indicate a heated flamin lib Sep 2015 #18
Sorry but let me get my hip waders Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #19
I guess the answer is 'no'. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #21
You have seen many of my posts Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #23
Yes, I've seen many of your posts. flamin lib Sep 2015 #25
He is skeptical of a group that has worked against Dems, hides their prohibitionism... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #17
Thank you Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #20
I agree with you. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #93
Thanks, now I know where I went wrong... Human101948 Sep 2015 #8
Well there is besmartforkids.org/ sarisataka Sep 2015 #12
I doubt it Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #14
MDA wants "gun safety," branford Sep 2015 #9
We need to fight back, no is not the time to abandon our progressive 2A stance. ileus Sep 2015 #10
Good for you! sarisataka Sep 2015 #11
Speaking of meetings at schools.. virginia mountainman Sep 2015 #22
Does not surpise me, I am sure the OP Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #24
I strongly approve of the focus on gun security. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #26
+1 DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #27
Straw purchase is almost impossible to prove. In one case from Kansas a felon flamin lib Sep 2015 #29
Most of those MDA people sound like Kang Colby Sep 2015 #28
Why would you doubt that an organization dedicated to reducing gun violence flamin lib Sep 2015 #30
How many gun locks have Everytown, MDA, MAIG distributed since they started? DonP Sep 2015 #31
Because it has happened before. Straw Man Sep 2015 #32
Did you read the VPC piece? flamin lib Sep 2015 #33
You've essentially admitted that "gun safety" is indeed not the priority, branford Sep 2015 #34
No, I did not. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #36
I beg to differ, particularly when the focus is on preventing people from liking guns. branford Sep 2015 #39
Beg all ya' want. nt flamin lib Sep 2015 #50
Simple! repeal 2ndA, invoke martial law! jimmy the one Sep 2015 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #71
Words have meaning, particularly in a legal context. branford Sep 2015 #72
It is the really mean people like this ^^^^ that causes him to not want to post here. oneshooter Sep 2015 #74
Heres a 'Jimmy' that actually has something relevent to say. beevul Sep 2015 #75
memory lane jimmy the one Sep 2015 #78
need read more than cliff notes jimmy the one Sep 2015 #76
One of the problems with near-Trumpian levels of self regard, James... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #79
prove ar15s in common use jimmy the one Sep 2015 #83
You made the original assertion, you prove it. And your opinion of their suitability is irrelevant friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #86
BTW: Repetition + prolixity =/= veracity friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #88
iconic hocus pocus jimmy the one Sep 2015 #89
Oy ... Straw Man Sep 2015 #90
When there's a moral panic to be touted, incovenient facts get ignored friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #92
"AR15s are NOT in common use." Oh, bullshit. They are a commonly used *firearm* friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #91
Popularity. Straw Man Sep 2015 #80
Some posters apparently believe that having a DU account is equivalent to... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #81
thanks for the support jimmy the one Sep 2015 #82
Wrong as usual, Jimbo. Straw Man Sep 2015 #84
I shoot HighPower here in the Houston area. oneshooter Sep 2015 #85
The solipsist regards only their own view and viewpoint as valid friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #87
Nope. benEzra Sep 2015 #94
Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #95
false premise after false premis (4) jimmy the one Sep 2015 #77
And what percentage of that 55% stems from... benEzra Sep 2015 #96
peculiar ar15 jimmy the one Sep 2015 #97
A centerfire .22 that fires once and only once when the trigger is pulled. benEzra Sep 2015 #98
Is there a refutation of branford's post in there somewhere? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #73
You've obviously never seen the Eddie Eagle program if you believe that DonP Sep 2015 #35
"Perhaps you can share some of the child safety materials distributed by Brady or MDA" Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #42
So what is the non-indoctinational gun safety program sarisataka Sep 2015 #37
Thank you for pointing out, unintentionally, why... beevul Sep 2015 #38
Yes, both now and when it first appeared. Straw Man Sep 2015 #40
"Did you read the VPC piece?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #45
Priceless comment in the same thead but in the other group. beevul Sep 2015 #41
And they wonder why the can't make any progress toward "gun control". pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #65
This is a thread on gun safety training. Hangingon Sep 2015 #46
It was unlocked, fyi Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #52
What is "support reasonable limits on where loaded guns can be carried"? Statistical Sep 2015 #55
Thanks, but no thanks to your invitation to "join us". NT pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #63
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