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In reply to the discussion: Xpost: Austrailian gun control... [View all]Straw Man
(6,771 posts)76. Further clarification.
Wrong! "Suggests" to you perhaps. My response is purely logical. The stats show that where guns are not allowed in public the shootings are a tiny fraction of those in the US. Nothing emotional about it. Pure reasoning.
Pure, flawed reasoning because it ignores other all possible causes, as well as overlooking the obvious fact that those who are perpetrating the bulk of the gun violence in the US are already barred from possessing guns at all, much less carrying them in public.
You are "baffled" because you assume that I think such nonsense. One always has the right to defend oneself. How one chooses to do that is a whole other question. Do you think that the citizens of the rest of the world don't have a right to defend themselves because of strict laws regarding carry?
Allow me to clarify: You would restrict the rights of the weak, the infirm, and the elderly to effectively defend themselves against younger, stronger predators outside the home. And yes, I think that citizens of nations that ban the carry of firearms are being denied a fundamental human right.
Which criminals are you talking about? Remember, I support home defense.
The ones that prefer stick-ups to home invasions and couldn't care less about laws regarding public carry -- in fact, would be in favor of any such law that makes it easier and safer for them to ply their criminal trade.
This is true, though England is not the only country. In general, LE is trusted to take care of problems that require the use of firearms. This is not an issue in Europe. The US is a whole other case. The judicial system plays a major part. Very few criminals resort to using firearms in Europe, because the price they pay in terms of sentencing is too high.
What other countries don't routinely arm their regular police? I don't know of any in Europe. If you're calling for higher penalties for criminal use of firearms, I am 100% in agreement. When there are multiple charges, the gun charge is too often plea-bargained away in the US, resulting in the bizarre paradox of career armed criminals with no gun convictions on their sheets.
I am not "scapegoating" anyone. I am not even blaming anyone. I'm making an observation from my POV, which is as valid as you decide.
I didn't say you were. What I said is that you were describing such scapegoating. I find it deplorable: both unjust and ineffective. How about you?
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it was undemocratic in that he didn't put the question to a formal referendum.
SwissTony
Sep 2015
#26
FFS, do you really claim that knife and gun are the same in a mass murder? Which would you....
Logical
Sep 2015
#31
Are you saying all confrontations favor or are equal to the capabilities of the victim?
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#56
"It's how we deal with them that determines what kind of society we live in."
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#58
No, but I think the fear of them should be dealt with in the appropriate way
Starboard Tack
Sep 2015
#59
It's definitely irrational if you think criminals don't strike in public.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#62
What is reasonable about demanding people not defend themselves outside their homes?
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#66
"If the US wants to remain credible in terms of basic societal norms..."
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#79
It's amusing that you can fabricate so many things about what freedom is or isn't and yet
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#96
It only makes a difference if you care about what kind of society you want to live in
Starboard Tack
Sep 2015
#72
Anyone living in the country should have equal rights in terms of self defense
Starboard Tack
Sep 2015
#106
Do you know how many guns have been confiscated from the total in the country?
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#12
The pro-gun regulars also don't defend those who work against Democrats seeking reelection...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#25
This is the same person that finds it acceptable to attack Dems seeking reelection:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#38
So if some future president abolished voting but paid each voter $475 you'd be okay with that.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#47
"bring back to a more satisfactory state" Back to something that did not exist previously...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#45
If the owners had no choice and the government did not own the property then it was confiscation.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#51
"Icon and I simply know how to read a dictionary..." No doubt James can also read quite well
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#53