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In reply to the discussion: Xpost: Austrailian gun control... [View all]Straw Man
(6,774 posts)97. Ah, Italy.
Handguns are legal to own.
Can anyone walk into a shop and walk out with one? Even a non-citizen? Are they regulated more tightly than long guns? Can anyone walk into a shop and walk out with a long gun?
I would pass any prequalifiers.
I assume you mean a background check -- so is the background check instant, like the NICS system in the US? And are there no other prequalifiers, such as completion of a safety course, or an interview with police or a judge? You said that you could legally buy a gun tomorrow; are you certain of that?
A darned good reason in Italy is as follows
" ... the applicant has to provide a valid reason to carry a concealed gun (e.g. a salesperson of valuable goods such as jewelry) ..."
" ... the applicant has to provide a valid reason to carry a concealed gun (e.g. a salesperson of valuable goods such as jewelry) ..."
This positively reeks of classism. What's the assumption? That those who deal in less valuable goods are thereby safe from violent crime? That assumption is demonstrably false, which leaves us with the conclusion that the system discriminates against the lower economic strata, as if their safety is less important.
I'm reminded of NYC, which puts a dollar amount on the cash a person needs to transport routinely in order to qualify for a CCW. It's hard to spin that as anything other than placing a cash value on human life. Jeweler? Here's your carry permit. Struggling bodega owner? Come back when you're making more money.
The logic of the statute would seemingly qualify any driver of an automobile, which is certainly a "valuable good" that has proven to be attractive to thieves. I wonder if the Italians would consider that to be "darned good reason." Would you?
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it was undemocratic in that he didn't put the question to a formal referendum.
SwissTony
Sep 2015
#26
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#31
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Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#56
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Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#58
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Starboard Tack
Sep 2015
#59
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Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#62
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Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#66
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Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#79
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Sep 2015
#96
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Starboard Tack
Sep 2015
#72
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Starboard Tack
Sep 2015
#106
Do you know how many guns have been confiscated from the total in the country?
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#12
The pro-gun regulars also don't defend those who work against Democrats seeking reelection...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#25
This is the same person that finds it acceptable to attack Dems seeking reelection:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#38
So if some future president abolished voting but paid each voter $475 you'd be okay with that.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#47
"bring back to a more satisfactory state" Back to something that did not exist previously...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#45
If the owners had no choice and the government did not own the property then it was confiscation.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#51
"Icon and I simply know how to read a dictionary..." No doubt James can also read quite well
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#53