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sarisataka

(20,992 posts)
18. My ideas of dealing with gun violence,
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:08 PM
Oct 2015

at least today. I am always looking to improve.

-Enforce the laws we have. Recently a person was sentenced to two years for making straw purchases with the intent to move seven guns over states lines. A single straw purchase can be a ten year sentence. The remarkable thing was that any jail time was involved. We can pass 100k laws but if they do not get enforced they are only words on paper.

-Pass UBC. Should have happened long ago. The issues with enforcement have been hashed over but in reality there is no downside.

-Safe storage laws. Also an enforcement issue but if keeping your kids safe isn't incentive enough, maybe the threat of jail time may make a few more act responsibly. Also, as in the first point, they must be enforced, not waived away in misplaced sympathy after a tragedy.

-Mandatory reporting of stolen/lost firearms. Goes well with the above point. Criminal culpability may be considered for extreme negligence.

-- Get DV laws passed to remove guns from those who are a high risk of violence. The MN law (which helped campaign for) is a good example. It removes guns to protect potential victims but also has due process provisions to protect the accused.

-Fix carry laws. All carry must be shall issue (to avoid racist enforcement) but can include refusal by LE "for good cause". If the person is known to LE as a trouble maker, multiple DUIs misdemeanors etc., then they can be denied. If the person wishes, they can appeal and LE can put their evidence before a judge. If found insufficient or frivolous then LE pays legal costs.
--Also to get a PTC, class time including laws on legal self defense should be required. A practical shooting test comparable to local LE would also be required.
---While I personally do not object to open carry, it typically causes undo alarm. Allow concealed with no more that a citation for inadvertent exposure. This would also solve the issue of idiots who carry rifles everywhere.

-Fix SYG. While the theory that a person should have no civil liability for legitimate self defense is good, in practice the issue is murky. I do not have the legal expertise to suggest specific changes.

-I know I'm forgetting something obvious that I usually include, but getting any one of these passed will be a major effort in today's political climate.

These all address the gun side of the equation, which I look on as treating the fever of an ill person. It is a symptom, not the disease. That must be treated on a social level. I found this list a good start

1. Access to alcohol and drug treatment and rehab
2. Prison reform
3. Curbing the school-to-prison pipeline
4. Addressing structural racism and investing in young black men
5. Correcting income inequality
6. Addressing gender inequality and "macho" culture

Thank you for the update on the gun. LonePirate Oct 2015 #1
Are you pleased sarisataka Oct 2015 #4
Are you suggesting we should object to Congress' prioritization of the gun over these kids' lives? LonePirate Oct 2015 #14
I do object to their inaction sarisataka Oct 2015 #17
My apologies. I accidentally omitted the important word "not" from my reply. LonePirate Oct 2015 #24
*As long as the gun was spared!* As we've seen with a few posters on this site... villager Oct 2015 #2
Are you pleased? sarisataka Oct 2015 #6
No, you're the one that first looks to see if the gun made it out okay. villager Oct 2015 #7
If I cared only about guns sarisataka Oct 2015 #10
Agree: "hate-filled bloodthirsty blowhards" abound. Though in a thread we've shared you've never villager Oct 2015 #11
I have posted several times sarisataka Oct 2015 #13
My ideas of dealing with gun violence, sarisataka Oct 2015 #18
There's much we can agree on here. Including "idiots who carry rifles everywhere." villager Oct 2015 #22
I am persona non grata sarisataka Oct 2015 #26
The only reason you should be haunted enough to *not* sleep at night is if gun boards welcomed... villager Oct 2015 #32
automatic weapons are banned gejohnston Oct 2015 #28
Oh, George. villager Oct 2015 #30
I just find technical ignorance gejohnston Oct 2015 #31
correction about one thing gejohnston Oct 2015 #29
Correct they are two issues sarisataka Oct 2015 #35
Here's one DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #33
Possible sarisataka Oct 2015 #36
Are you pleased? sarisataka Oct 2015 #3
Que obligatory post describing make model caliber etc of Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #5
The victim is the gun? sarisataka Oct 2015 #8
Seemingly. If the child were anything other than meaningless Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #9
Everyone is entitled to their opinion sarisataka Oct 2015 #12
Some adult is criminally negligent in this situation. (nt) enough Oct 2015 #15
Welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #16
I don't understand why any DUer would post Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #19
Suffer? I Bet They Will - They Brought Kids To This SoCalMusicLover Oct 2015 #20
I find it almost unbelievable that you would mock that family. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #21
Anything is fair game to promote their failing agenda Lurks Often Oct 2015 #25
Negligence by the adults. ManiacJoe Oct 2015 #23
Just another tragic accident. Totally unpreventable. SheilaT Oct 2015 #27
When training youths you have to beat all rules into their head every outing. ileus Oct 2015 #34
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