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In reply to the discussion: The Concealed-Carry Fantasy [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)27. "The death toll includes 29 mass killings of three or more people"
The FBI defines a mass shooting as 4 or more. Why the revision of terms?
since 2007, at least 763 people have been killed in 579 shootings that did not involve self-defense
Why 2007?
Over an 8 year period that is less than 100 per year. How many questionable shootings are perpetrated by the police each year? If we're going to abolish things based on statistics we should abolish the police -- but then who would enforce gun control?
What the article is speaking to is essentially negligent
there were only 21 cases in which self-defense was determined to be a factor
That would be meaningful except --
1) Not all self-defense involves the discharge of a weapon, let alone actually shooting and/or killing someone. Considering the CDC estimates there are as many as 70,000 DGUs annually (or more) what we're seeing is that whose who carry for protection want that protection but they are not eager to shoot and kill.
2) The stat is dubious because the next statement reads --
The tally by the Violence Policy Center, a gun safety group, is necessarily incomplete
"because they have already been shown to manipulate statistics to paint the conclusion they need for their political advocacy, i.e. redefining mass-shooting from 4 down to 3 to elevate the number of mass-shootings," is how the sentence should have read. If the tally is incomplete it is because the VPC finds the record to be too inconvenient to its narrative.
The VPC goes on to further lie that funding on research is blocked. No, it is not blocked. The CDC and FBI both conduct research in this area, the VPC is just stomping its feet that they cannot get public money to lobby for laws that affect the public.
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Perhaps one should worry about restricting the criminals and leave law-abiding people alone. n/t
jtuck004
Oct 2015
#41
Sort of... Popped right out, there, didn't it. "Oh, darling! I didn't realize!"
Eleanors38
Oct 2015
#110
Other than the tens of millions who will hold the restricters accountable for it at the polls.
beevul
Oct 2015
#87
And you sent this by posting a print copy? I mean, "press" IS THE TERM USED.
Eleanors38
Oct 2015
#111
What were the federal regulations concerning the militia when the 2A was ratified?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#75
What were the federal regulations concerning the militia when the 2A was ratified?
AlbertCat
Oct 2015
#90
You're very wishy-washy about when the standards you choose get applied.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#124
"You don't get to use 18th definitions in the 1st part and 21st century definitions"
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#121
The RWNJ supreme court (most right wing in nearly 100 years) that will change soon?
MillennialDem
Oct 2015
#33
Justice Scalia has already said that the 2nd "undoubtedly" has its limitations.. n/t
secondwind
Oct 2015
#36
"We HAVE prohibited many things to GREAT success howeve" < Your definition of great success leaves
jtuck004
Oct 2015
#64
Not just you, everyone else that DOES know what they're talking about as well...
beevul
Oct 2015
#96
I think you are too faith-based to have a worthwhile conversation with. You have no data, and the
jtuck004
Oct 2015
#97
I wonder if said MAIG stationary would have a "drink ring" from a 32oz Coke on it?
virginia mountainman
Oct 2015
#99
Being retired military imparts no especial wisdom about guns, as see:
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2015
#83
With "two gun safes full" YOU are a gun nut, at least according to the metric...
Marengo
Oct 2015
#132
In most cases, not all, the very fact that you are applying for a conceal carry permit is why you
randys1
Oct 2015
#77
"Large amounts of cash:" Like the editor of Mediamatters & hiz armed bodyguard?
Eleanors38
Oct 2015
#113