Gun Control & RKBA

EdwardBernays

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61. Prohibition does work

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:57 AM

Oct 2015

but it can't work 100% of the time...

Alcohol prohibition is not a good benchmark for a variety of reasons:

- the vast majority of Americans drink
- people can - and did - widely make their own booze
- drinking is frequently a social thing - by and large owning a gun is not

We HAVE prohibited many things to GREAT success however - here's two easy examples:

- pedophilia
- military weaponry in civilian hands

Other things we have GREATLY reduced by making them a lot harder to sustain, such as cigarettes.

Laws DO work, to a large degree, and many people would NOT break the law to own a gun, for obvious reasons.

I do find it funny that the same people that are for the death penalty as a deterrent claims that laws are meaningless.

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The Concealed-Carry Fantasy [View all] liberal N proud Oct 2015 OP

Thanks anyway but I'll keep my progressive 2A rights. ileus Oct 2015 #1

So you subscribe to the concealed carry fantasy? Human101948 Oct 2015 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #8

You subscribe to the concealed carry fantasy as well? Human101948 Oct 2015 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #20

Exercise your freedom of thought... Human101948 Oct 2015 #23

Laws don't tell us what's allowed michreject Oct 2015 #32

However, if it is not a guaranteed right then... Human101948 Oct 2015 #39

Perhaps one should worry about restricting the criminals and leave law-abiding people alone. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #41

Thank you Mr. NRA spokesman... Human101948 Oct 2015 #43

Lol. You are so far off, but if that comforts you, then I have done my work. jtuck004 Oct 2015 #48

Another response devoid of content... Human101948 Oct 2015 #49

Talk about devoid of comment. GGJohn Oct 2015 #50

Sort of... Popped right out, there, didn't it. "Oh, darling! I didn't realize!" Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #110

Ironic, from someone resorting to a tiresome cliche. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #60

My wife thrived on the small penis jokes Big_Mike Oct 2015 #100

I have fun with those, too. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #116

Other than the tens of millions who will hold the restricters accountable for it at the polls. beevul Oct 2015 #87

The Second recognizes a right to keep and Bear arms... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #109

I subscribe to the freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution AlbertCat Oct 2015 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #45

"flintlock" is not contained in the 2A and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #70

"flintlock" is not contained in the 2A AlbertCat Oct 2015 #117

I'm guessing by spiral bore gejohnston Oct 2015 #125

The proper term is "rifled" sarisataka Oct 2015 #126

You probably have no real idea but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #129

And why do people demonstrably ignorant of the subject discussed... Marengo Oct 2015 #133

The irony is thick on that post DonP Oct 2015 #73

There was nothing like a computer in the 18th century. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #118

"Again....why do 2A advocates act so obtuse? Why do they ignore context?" DonP Oct 2015 #128

And you sent this by posting a print copy? I mean, "press" IS THE TERM USED. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #111

You certainly seem invested in framing it as a fantasy. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #30

Thanks Mr. Truthgiver... Human101948 Oct 2015 #40

Look closer at the URL Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #52

It's an opinion piece, nothing more, nothing less, GGJohn Oct 2015 #54

are you a bitter clinger type??? ileus Oct 2015 #19

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #6

The 2A doesn't say what you think it says and you know it. Darb Oct 2015 #7

Sure it does, GGJohn Oct 2015 #11

And they have confirmed that money is speech.... daleanime Oct 2015 #28

Exactly what my post said. GGJohn Oct 2015 #29

And money is speech.... daleanime Oct 2015 #31

That may be so michreject Oct 2015 #34

To join a militia? daleanime Oct 2015 #38

To join a militia? AlbertCat Oct 2015 #46

What were the federal regulations concerning the militia when the 2A was ratified? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #75

What were the federal regulations concerning the militia when the 2A was ratified? AlbertCat Oct 2015 #90

That means nothing. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #103

"well regulated" AlbertCat Oct 2015 #105

"Well-regulated" meant "well-equipped and proficient with their arms" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #107

"Well-regulated" meant "well-equipped and proficient with their arms" AlbertCat Oct 2015 #115

Do you apply that standard sarisataka Oct 2015 #119

The press is not the same thing as a gun AlbertCat Oct 2015 #120

Obviously sarisataka Oct 2015 #122

You're very wishy-washy about when the standards you choose get applied. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #124

"You don't get to use 18th definitions in the 1st part and 21st century definitions" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #121

And you can only use a moveable type printing press. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #123

I'm not the one arguing only 18c. technology applies; you are. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #127

Damn, cat, the First specifically mentions a technology: "Press." Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #138

The RWNJ supreme court (most right wing in nearly 100 years) that will change soon? MillennialDem Oct 2015 #33

Possible, but unlikely. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #59

And perhaps needful to say, that even Justice Stevens Big_Mike Oct 2015 #101

That doesn't mean... Godot51 Oct 2015 #42

OK, so is the court also full of shit on abortion and gay marriage??? Big_Mike Oct 2015 #102

Justice Scalia has already said that the 2nd "undoubtedly" has its limitations.. n/t secondwind Oct 2015 #36

guns kill people I know... ileus Oct 2015 #18

The 2nd Amendment says what the NRA and right wing SCOTUS says it does... Human101948 Oct 2015 #21

Neither of those entities influence my take on the 2nd Am in the least. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #55

Is there any gun restriction you would favor? Jerry442 Oct 2015 #37

easy gejohnston Oct 2015 #62

You must be referring to a Glock 7. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #74

You sound so silly. "cold dead hands" LOL Logical Oct 2015 #68

you and your NRA talking points. ileus Oct 2015 #69

Your "rights" shit is NRA BS. nt Logical Oct 2015 #78

from 1791....yup. ileus Oct 2015 #79

You don't believe people have the right to carry a gun? beevul Oct 2015 #86

A lot of facts there underpants Oct 2015 #2

There are no facts EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #4

A place where none of this touches - in other words, another fantasy. ROFL. jtuck004 Oct 2015 #47

Prohibition does work EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #61

even before the National Firearms Act gejohnston Oct 2015 #63

"We HAVE prohibited many things to GREAT success howeve" < Your definition of great success leaves jtuck004 Oct 2015 #64

here's the thing about all of that EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #91

you are missing the point gejohnston Oct 2015 #92

nonsense EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #104

this is the guy that used gejohnston Oct 2015 #108

What!!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #93

That assertion was so disconnected from reality... beevul Oct 2015 #94

What it proves to me is that the poster has no clue GGJohn Oct 2015 #95

Not just you, everyone else that DOES know what they're talking about as well... beevul Oct 2015 #96

I think you are too faith-based to have a worthwhile conversation with. You have no data, and the jtuck004 Oct 2015 #97

CT has an AWB - Adam Lanza's AR-15 was not legally an assault weapon. hack89 Oct 2015 #106

So gun ownership IS about fear, thought so. randys1 Oct 2015 #76

How will you "overrule" virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #67

The suit be very very angry with them... beevul Oct 2015 #98

I wonder if said MAIG stationary would have a "drink ring" from a 32oz Coke on it? virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #99

It would indeed. beevul Oct 2015 #131

Violence Policy Center? GGJohn Oct 2015 #5

So you've got nothing? Got it. Darb Oct 2015 #9

I've got lots more than you do. GGJohn Oct 2015 #10

What a load of crap ol' "GGJohn" is spreading OldRedneck Oct 2015 #13

I seriously doubt you've forgotten more about firearms than I'll ever learn. GGJohn Oct 2015 #15

Seriously, I would challenge him to a duel! Human101948 Oct 2015 #25

Naw, GGJohn Oct 2015 #26

Which brigade sir? DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #65

Being retired military imparts no especial wisdom about guns, as see: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #83

With "two gun safes full" YOU are a gun nut, at least according to the metric... Marengo Oct 2015 #132

Bump DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #134

Still waiting DashOneBravo Nov 2015 #139

I suspect we've seen the last of that poster here friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #140

Probably true DashOneBravo Nov 2015 #141

I'm a grown man and I have lots of toys....dirtbike, kayak, Jeep... ileus Oct 2015 #72

Allow me to inject a few facts discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #12

Glock fondlers The Wizard Oct 2015 #14

What the hell is a Glock fondler? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #16

When is the last time someone grabbed your gun? Human101948 Oct 2015 #22

Nobody has ever grabbed my firearms, GGJohn Oct 2015 #24

A term employed by someone with no relevant argument. (nm) Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #56

You're not one of those "Glocks are the only firearm" types are you. ileus Oct 2015 #81

"The death toll includes 29 mass killings of three or more people" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #27

The definition of "mass killings" has become quite flexible... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #58

using the VPC as a source gejohnston Oct 2015 #35

it isn't an article, gejohnston Oct 2015 #51

CCW should be banned. deathrind Oct 2015 #53

"Intestinal fortitude" is irrelevant. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #57

the regressives are already skeert of the 3 people that Open Carry... ileus Oct 2015 #71

Open carry is just showing off, CC covers all the gun needs. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #80

But the poster wanted OC only no CC. ileus Oct 2015 #82

In most cases, not all, the very fact that you are applying for a conceal carry permit is why you randys1 Oct 2015 #77

So a valid use of lethal force sarisataka Oct 2015 #85

"Large amounts of cash:" Like the editor of Mediamatters & hiz armed bodyguard? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #113

Actually, states have the power to regulate the manner of carry. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #112

Violence Policy Center sarisataka Oct 2015 #66

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #84

The VPC? Please. beevul Oct 2015 #88

In other news, Exxon released a new "study" Kang Colby Oct 2015 #89

Sorry, I will retain the right of concealed-carry... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #114

Of the 579 shootings, how many took place in a "gun-free zone"? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #130

Oooops! "Police: Customer with concealed carry license kills robber at corner store" DonP Oct 2015 #135

Was this in Cook County? GGJohn Oct 2015 #136

Yup, Chicago South Side. 51st street. Amazing the paper picked it up DonP Nov 2015 #137