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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Straw Man
(6,777 posts)75. No police force?
A dual purpose, allowing for individual protection in an age where there was no police force. That point, that there was no organized police protection and enforcement, is ignored by many who argue for an unfettered individual right divorced from the concept of defense of a free state. The point also goes to "original intent", a concept much favored by Court conservatives. The Founders were well aware that there were no police forces, hence the need for a dual purpose right.
Do tell.
More than 350 years ago, Americas first known system of law enforcement was established in Boston. As soon as colonists had settled there in 1630, local ordinances had allowed for constables to be appointed. Soon after, in April 1631, the townspeople formed a watch made up of six watchmen, one constable, and several volunteers who patrolled at night, walking the rounds.
Initially run by a combination of obligatory and voluntary participation, the 17th century watch typically reported fires, maintained order in the streets, raised the hue and cry (pursuing suspected criminals with loud cries to raise alarm), and captured and arrested lawbreakers. Constables had similar tasks, which included maintaining health and sanitation and bringing suspects and witnesses to courtfrequently for such conduct as working on the Sabbath, cursing in public places, and failing to pen animals properly.
In the more rural, sparsely populated areas of the Colonies, the sheriff was the main law enforcement figure. Appointed by the governor, sheriffs duties included serving legal documents such as writs, appearing in court, and collecting taxes. In many cases, the sheriff was paid a fixed amount for each task he performed, some, for example, receiving payment based on the amount of taxes they collected. Occasionally, these tasks proved dangerous. In fact, the first known American peace officer to be killed in the line of duty was Columbia County (NY) Sheriff Cornelius Hogeboom, who was shot on October 22, 1791, as he attempted to serve a writ of ejectment.
--http://www.nleomf.org/museum/news/newsletters/online-insider/2012/April-2012/early-days-american-law-enforcement-april-2012.html
Initially run by a combination of obligatory and voluntary participation, the 17th century watch typically reported fires, maintained order in the streets, raised the hue and cry (pursuing suspected criminals with loud cries to raise alarm), and captured and arrested lawbreakers. Constables had similar tasks, which included maintaining health and sanitation and bringing suspects and witnesses to courtfrequently for such conduct as working on the Sabbath, cursing in public places, and failing to pen animals properly.
In the more rural, sparsely populated areas of the Colonies, the sheriff was the main law enforcement figure. Appointed by the governor, sheriffs duties included serving legal documents such as writs, appearing in court, and collecting taxes. In many cases, the sheriff was paid a fixed amount for each task he performed, some, for example, receiving payment based on the amount of taxes they collected. Occasionally, these tasks proved dangerous. In fact, the first known American peace officer to be killed in the line of duty was Columbia County (NY) Sheriff Cornelius Hogeboom, who was shot on October 22, 1791, as he attempted to serve a writ of ejectment.
--http://www.nleomf.org/museum/news/newsletters/online-insider/2012/April-2012/early-days-american-law-enforcement-april-2012.html
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I have been saying this forever. As I equally have been saying how INSANE it is we have
randys1
Oct 2015
#1
There is a proposal in Illinois to automatically register anyone who signs up for a Driver's
guillaumeb
Oct 2015
#3
Election fraud, is what cons do, and they do it in every single election they have a candidate. OT
randys1
Oct 2015
#6
Yet the founding fathers, as Englishmen, enjoyed an individual right to bear arms
hack89
Oct 2015
#7
In my opinion, the problem with the misinterpretation is because people don't understand the
Ghost in the Machine
Oct 2015
#12
cherry picking is an NRA specialty, especially when they make claims about how guns make
guillaumeb
Oct 2015
#14
Umm, Heller was not spearheaded by the NRA; in fact, they dragged along later...
Eleanors38
Oct 2015
#27
To you, all all here who insist that all US residents are part of this "well regulated militia"
guillaumeb
Oct 2015
#30
You might wish to look at Article 8 of the US Constitution, especially the clauses relating to a
guillaumeb
Oct 2015
#65
And also consider this -- well-reguluated as an adj modifies militia and not the people.
aikoaiko
Nov 2015
#103
I am struck by your repeated use of NRA "view" & "talking point." They aren't the only...
Eleanors38
Oct 2015
#43
President Obama & the Democratic Party have stated the 2nd Amendment is an individual right
Lurks Often
Oct 2015
#51
I find this statement to be either uninformed or deliberately obtuse. Or possibly sarcasm?
guillaumeb
Oct 2015
#36
I grounded my argument in the militia view because it corresponds to the Constitution and
guillaumeb
Oct 2015
#54
Correct! A large standing Army-the very thing the militia clauses and the 2nd was trying to prevent!
jmg257
Oct 2015
#86
Ahem. "Surely it protects a right that can be enforced by individuals."
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#99
This is the last time I engage you, since you can't be bothered to actually fact-check yourself
tortoise1956
Nov 2015
#114
True. Homicide does not directly equate but any time that a homicide takes place,
guillaumeb
Oct 2015
#88