Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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26. Our justice system would get many more convictions

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:42 PM

Nov 2015

and therefore criminals off the street if we did away with the 5th Amendment. I don't support that.

I have posted my ideas for GC many times. If noticed by any control proponent, it s always "a good start"

Do you actually believe if you achieve your dream of an unarmed civilian population we would see such a huge drop in deaths with no increase in other crimes? Or is it just about guns?

BTW I am also opposed to the incremental slicing away of the 4th Amendment for our "security".

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YES, THEY WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY [View all] Panich52 Nov 2015 OP

God, the insanity.... daleanime Nov 2015 #1

You know, I don't fear confiscation because the controllers don't have the juice... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #4

And where exactly is the moderation from the side of the gundamentalists? LonePirate Nov 2015 #9

Where? beevul Nov 2015 #13

Your comment #15 is representative of extreme prohibitionism... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #17

So your support of something in the Constitution is not extreme but my support is? LonePirate Nov 2015 #20

No. Your "gist" is prohibition. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #21

An intermediate point sarisataka Nov 2015 #23

You're essentially saying incrementalism is worse than thousands of needless deaths each year. LonePirate Nov 2015 #25

Our justice system would get many more convictions sarisataka Nov 2015 #26

We may disagree on the need to repeal the 2A but I do respect your overall Constitution support LonePirate Nov 2015 #30

Firearms aren't the root problem of the violence Panich52 Nov 2015 #45

The current approach by controllers IS a prohibition model... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #2

When the politician who wants to take a look at the Australian model tularetom Nov 2015 #11

Whose approach is in question? Was this meant to be satirical or do you actually believe this? LonePirate Nov 2015 #12

Do You endorse confiscation? N/T beevul Nov 2015 #14

I endorse confiscation once we embed it in the Constitution. LonePirate Nov 2015 #15

Is that supposed to be some sort of cover... beevul Nov 2015 #16

Tens of millions may feel that right is important but tens of millions also vote Republican. LonePirate Nov 2015 #18

And people are just supposed to agree with you... beevul Nov 2015 #22

If you want to talk objectively, then people obviously don't need guns - they simply want them. LonePirate Nov 2015 #27

Objectively. beevul Nov 2015 #29

I suppose you have a Scarlet Letter system to identify that alleged .1%, right? LonePirate Nov 2015 #31

By behavior. beevul Nov 2015 #32

You said to focus on the .1% but you never said how to do it. How are we to identify them? LonePirate Nov 2015 #33

No, I didn't. beevul Nov 2015 #36

Waiting until they cross a line really wrecks the whole prevention effort LonePirate Nov 2015 #37

Waiting until they cross a line really wrecks the whole prevention effort beevul Nov 2015 #38

When multiple people are murdered regularly with a knife or billy club or other object LonePirate Nov 2015 #40

I knew it wouldn't take long. beevul Nov 2015 #41

Knives and clubs are used to murder four times as many people benEzra Nov 2015 #44

And what are you doing personally to make that happen? DonP Nov 2015 #19

Then you endorse civil disruption on a vast and bloody scale. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #28

Would you please take a guess at what percentage of gun owners would fight/kill jmg257 Nov 2015 #34

Impossible to say, really. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #35

I think a majority of states would actively resist any such attempt Lurks Often Nov 2015 #50

Thanks (and Lizzy too). I didn't think of state reactions, etc. vs individuals. jmg257 Nov 2015 #53

Unlikely, states recognize it would never hold up to judicial scrutiny Lurks Often Nov 2015 #58

There might be an answer to that in the drug wars. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #68

Perhaps, may even see some state actively prevent Federal law enforcement Lurks Often Nov 2015 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #66

Prohibitions never turn out well Panich52 Nov 2015 #48

Gun lovers, like most lovers, will do anything to protect the beloved....that is clear enough. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #62

actually by the Venzualians gejohnston Nov 2015 #63

Does this sound like taking your beloved away from you? liberal N proud Nov 2015 #3

No, that sounds like a false, flawed, and misleading premise. N/t beevul Nov 2015 #5

In other news... beevul Nov 2015 #6

Without reading the OP; Is/Was there ever any doubt? ileus Nov 2015 #7

.....snip....snip...sniping logic from the debate is of course all the gun lovers have to work with. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #8

"gun retrieval experience" krispos42 Nov 2015 #43

I read in one description about Australia that a registration period jmg257 Nov 2015 #54

"Australian gun retrieval experience" virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #46

always happy to oblige discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #49

Makes sense - the only way to drastically reduce levels of gun-related crime/violence is to jmg257 Nov 2015 #10

Maybe some posters would help -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2015 #39

Reduce the number of guns is indeed the only solution now....control the guns by not having them! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #47

Now THAT'S "Common-Sense" control! jmg257 Nov 2015 #55

I don't know where he gets this we, GGJohn Nov 2015 #61

How do you propose to get the 20-25% of the population that own guns to acquiesce? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #57

Who is this we? GGJohn Nov 2015 #60

if you dont like abortion dont have one Elmergantry Nov 2015 #24

Isn't it obvious??? ileus Nov 2015 #42

There will be only one thing to damped USA gin love DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #51

The Huey Newton Gun club would really like you as a guest speaker next month DonP Nov 2015 #52

Gun love is unquenchable...you have to take away the object of the love.....the gun. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #56

Gun hate is unquenchable, you mean...you have to take away the object of the hatred.....the gun beevul Nov 2015 #59

Ummm, check your prejudices. benEzra Nov 2015 #64

RIP Otis McDonald - Good Man DonP Nov 2015 #65

A very good man indeed Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #67

Fuck Australia. Implement the Hawaii system nationwide. nt flamin lib Nov 2015 #70