Gun Control & RKBA

DonP

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28. At some point the definition of UBCs is going to be relevant

Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:29 AM

Nov 2015

The UBC version Bloomberg is pushing does not allow for family transfers or "lending" anyone a gun at the range or for a hunting trip.

For my CCW classes, I would not be allowed to let a student try different guns to find one that fit and worked better for them.

Bloomberg's (and a lot of gun control fans here) hope is that no one is paying attention to the actual details of the proposal. When it is brought up, you're told; "Don't worry about that, we'll work that out after it's passed" or my favorite; "That won't be enforced". Phrases that always make the hair on my neck stand up.

A clean UBC bill, untainted by Billionaire control freaks, that allows family transfers and loaning a friend a gun, is what we have in Illinois and other states would be fine.

But, like every other demand from that side, ... it will never be enough

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The full gun violence stats for 2014 are out (FBI UCR). [View all] benEzra Nov 2015 OP

Need MORE guns then. randys1 Nov 2015 #1

Are you adopting a John Lott position?... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #43

Weird how most of the rest of the civilized world has figured out what to do with guns and we randys1 Nov 2015 #44

68% of murders are committed with firearms. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #2

Most of the killers have prior criminal records, benEzra Nov 2015 #12

Not the ones under 12 years of age accidently killing their own families and friends! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #27

And that is such a tiny percentage of gun deaths annually as to barely register, and you know it. benEzra Nov 2015 #32

Gun lovers always protest too much...guns are killing machines and there are too many. Period. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #33

Then don't own one. benEzra Nov 2015 #34

Folks who boast about their gun-loving when "logic" fails for owning one, is not impressing me! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #38

You don't have to be impressed. You don't even have to accept the facts in front of you. benEzra Nov 2015 #39

Assumptions discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #36

Unsupported didactic assertions are no way to go through life, er...a debate, son. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #49

"How" discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #50

Our of 320 million people, 11,000 died yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #51

Given the actual data, "daily killings by toddlers and children" is Impossible. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #45

Obviously 300 million guns laying around are not enough! Buy more guns!! More guns is the only Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #3

Gun sales are high the last six months. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #4

"We" here are not the same, and "we" are not the only ones not buying guns....and why would we? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #5

Gun sales are actually doubled now vs. 20-30 years ago. benEzra Nov 2015 #10

Hope your son is well yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #13

Thanks! He's now 16 and has pretty much come out the other side of the surgery scene, benEzra Nov 2015 #16

So very happy to hear that. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #17

This is such good news! I never knew the extent of your son's illness. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #46

Urban living. JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #7

Gun ranges. Lead bullets. Those folks poisoned by lead years ago still live.....as we can all see. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #8

Not necessarily more guns, but more of the right people with the right guns. ileus Nov 2015 #24

Full stats on gun violence? You've only posted murder statistics by state and weapon. SecularMotion Nov 2015 #6

Ummm, the nonfatal violence stats can be found from the links I posted. benEzra Nov 2015 #9

The statistics in the OP are not accurate SecularMotion Nov 2015 #11

Yes, there is a link to the rest of the data (CIUS Home, if not the banner itself). benEzra Nov 2015 #14

Good, then let's have universal background checks and close the gun show loophole SecularMotion Nov 2015 #15

With safeguards to prevent registration and allow temporary transfers, I could be OK with that. benEzra Nov 2015 #18

My goodness. The sheer naivete of your statement is mind boggling. Big_Mike Nov 2015 #19

If you're purchasing weapons without a background check, YOU are the "criminal culture" SecularMotion Nov 2015 #22

Well said. The criminal culture that permits the raging gun violence is the gun-lover's "culture". Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #26

Unless you're purchasing firearms legally from private individuals. ileus Nov 2015 #31

SecMo, please note the use of the subjunctive case. Big_Mike Nov 2015 #37

Problem with your post: I, as a non-dealer, cannot access NICS if I wanted to... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #47

Why do you keep lying re. the "gun show loophole"? pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #20

You're in deep denial SecularMotion Nov 2015 #23

Of what, pray tell? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #40

The fact that you can't go into detail re. the nature of my denial pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #41

Well stated...you're on top of the game. ileus Nov 2015 #30

Wouldn't UBCs close the "gunshow loophole"??? ileus Nov 2015 #25

At some point the definition of UBCs is going to be relevant DonP Nov 2015 #28

Problem is we have one side that CAN NEVER tell the truth of what they want. ileus Nov 2015 #29

I'm against UBC's because I believe they will lead to registration, as without registration the UBC Waldorf Nov 2015 #35

A winner! 'UBC without registration' doesn't really accomplish anything. jmg257 Nov 2015 #42

But......but......but.............. pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #21

Kicked as a reminder of the downward trend in gun violence. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #48