Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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36. Assumptions

Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:34 PM

Nov 2015

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1. "Gun lovers always protest too much..." - so are those protests unfounded? You said, in the same sentence, "...there are too many."
>>> WRONG Your assumption #1 is proven wrong by your own words. You (and others) have made no secret of the desire to see them gone.

2. "...guns are killing machines..." - since many objects may be used to cause death it is logical to conclude from your statement that guns are more deadly. Is someone who's been stabbed to death somehow less dead than someone who was shot?
>>> WRONG Your assumption #2 is without merit. Numerous items are used to murder and there will always be one on the list that is the most common choice. Were every gun on earth to suddenly vanish along with all the factories and hand tools, a new most common choice would emerge based mostly upon efficaciousness. Not to mention that numerous guns are used only for purposes not related to criminal assault.

3. "...there are too many." - assuming there are too many guns because too many (another unqualified comparative) are killed by guns.
>>> WRONG Your assumption #3 is completely of your own construction and prejudice. If not, prove it.

Mitch Henessey: ...everyone knows, when you make an assumption, you make an ass out of "u" and "umption"

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The full gun violence stats for 2014 are out (FBI UCR). [View all] benEzra Nov 2015 OP

Need MORE guns then. randys1 Nov 2015 #1

Are you adopting a John Lott position?... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #43

Weird how most of the rest of the civilized world has figured out what to do with guns and we randys1 Nov 2015 #44

68% of murders are committed with firearms. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #2

Most of the killers have prior criminal records, benEzra Nov 2015 #12

Not the ones under 12 years of age accidently killing their own families and friends! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #27

And that is such a tiny percentage of gun deaths annually as to barely register, and you know it. benEzra Nov 2015 #32

Gun lovers always protest too much...guns are killing machines and there are too many. Period. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #33

Then don't own one. benEzra Nov 2015 #34

Folks who boast about their gun-loving when "logic" fails for owning one, is not impressing me! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #38

You don't have to be impressed. You don't even have to accept the facts in front of you. benEzra Nov 2015 #39

Assumptions discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #36

Unsupported didactic assertions are no way to go through life, er...a debate, son. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #49

"How" discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #50

Our of 320 million people, 11,000 died yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #51

Given the actual data, "daily killings by toddlers and children" is Impossible. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #45

Obviously 300 million guns laying around are not enough! Buy more guns!! More guns is the only Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #3

Gun sales are high the last six months. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #4

"We" here are not the same, and "we" are not the only ones not buying guns....and why would we? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #5

Gun sales are actually doubled now vs. 20-30 years ago. benEzra Nov 2015 #10

Hope your son is well yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #13

Thanks! He's now 16 and has pretty much come out the other side of the surgery scene, benEzra Nov 2015 #16

So very happy to hear that. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #17

This is such good news! I never knew the extent of your son's illness. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #46

Urban living. JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #7

Gun ranges. Lead bullets. Those folks poisoned by lead years ago still live.....as we can all see. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #8

Not necessarily more guns, but more of the right people with the right guns. ileus Nov 2015 #24

Full stats on gun violence? You've only posted murder statistics by state and weapon. SecularMotion Nov 2015 #6

Ummm, the nonfatal violence stats can be found from the links I posted. benEzra Nov 2015 #9

The statistics in the OP are not accurate SecularMotion Nov 2015 #11

Yes, there is a link to the rest of the data (CIUS Home, if not the banner itself). benEzra Nov 2015 #14

Good, then let's have universal background checks and close the gun show loophole SecularMotion Nov 2015 #15

With safeguards to prevent registration and allow temporary transfers, I could be OK with that. benEzra Nov 2015 #18

My goodness. The sheer naivete of your statement is mind boggling. Big_Mike Nov 2015 #19

If you're purchasing weapons without a background check, YOU are the "criminal culture" SecularMotion Nov 2015 #22

Well said. The criminal culture that permits the raging gun violence is the gun-lover's "culture". Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #26

Unless you're purchasing firearms legally from private individuals. ileus Nov 2015 #31

SecMo, please note the use of the subjunctive case. Big_Mike Nov 2015 #37

Problem with your post: I, as a non-dealer, cannot access NICS if I wanted to... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #47

Why do you keep lying re. the "gun show loophole"? pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #20

You're in deep denial SecularMotion Nov 2015 #23

Of what, pray tell? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #40

The fact that you can't go into detail re. the nature of my denial pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #41

Well stated...you're on top of the game. ileus Nov 2015 #30

Wouldn't UBCs close the "gunshow loophole"??? ileus Nov 2015 #25

At some point the definition of UBCs is going to be relevant DonP Nov 2015 #28

Problem is we have one side that CAN NEVER tell the truth of what they want. ileus Nov 2015 #29

I'm against UBC's because I believe they will lead to registration, as without registration the UBC Waldorf Nov 2015 #35

A winner! 'UBC without registration' doesn't really accomplish anything. jmg257 Nov 2015 #42

But......but......but.............. pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #21

Kicked as a reminder of the downward trend in gun violence. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #48