Gun Control & RKBA

benEzra

(12,148 posts)

64. Ummm, check your prejudices.

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:31 AM

Nov 2015

" There will be only one thing to damped USA gin (sic) love and that is having large numbers of minorities buy gun permits. "

At last, something we can agree on! Minorities and the working class should have the same right to possess and carry guns as Wall Street oligarchs and CEOs, and their bodyguards.

More of this!

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-black-guns-nra-20130723-dto-htmlstory.html

FWIW, here's the Chicago homeowner who fought for the right of Chicago residents to be able to lawfully own handguns and obtain carry licenses even if they weren't rich or politically connected. He won , finally bringing the right within the reach of law-abiding working class minorities.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-06/news/ct-otis-mcdonald-obituary-met-20140406_1_gun-ban-illinois-state-rifle-association-gun-rights

And gun owners' groups backed him financially and cheered him on, and celebrated when he won the Second Amendment back for ALL peaceable residents of Chicago. Here is Mr. McDonald posing with a framed copy of his picture on the cover of the NRA magazine...which they captioned "Victory in Chicago".

FYI, it is wealthy white corporate oligarchs funding the fight against minorities owning guns, and the broader fight to limit armed self-defense to corporations and elites. Gun owners as a group are a whole lot more egalitarian than the "guns for CEOs, not workers"' types. It was also gun owner groups who fought for the mostly-black residents of New Orleans who had their guns stolen by rogue law enforcement in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and they won there as well.

Gun control advocates, on the other hand, have long advocated for means testing to prevent the poor from owning guns, and have explicitly demanded tighter gun control on ethnic minorities (from NY's Sullivan Act, to Jim Crow purchase permits and discretionary licensure, to requiring exorbitant fees and other means testing to exercise the right). It was gun control advocates who demanded and defended warrantless searches of homes in majority-black housing to confiscate guns from peaceable black residents, and it was gun-owner groups who got that stopped.

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YES, THEY WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY [View all] Panich52 Nov 2015 OP

God, the insanity.... daleanime Nov 2015 #1

You know, I don't fear confiscation because the controllers don't have the juice... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #4

And where exactly is the moderation from the side of the gundamentalists? LonePirate Nov 2015 #9

Where? beevul Nov 2015 #13

Your comment #15 is representative of extreme prohibitionism... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #17

So your support of something in the Constitution is not extreme but my support is? LonePirate Nov 2015 #20

No. Your "gist" is prohibition. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #21

An intermediate point sarisataka Nov 2015 #23

You're essentially saying incrementalism is worse than thousands of needless deaths each year. LonePirate Nov 2015 #25

Our justice system would get many more convictions sarisataka Nov 2015 #26

We may disagree on the need to repeal the 2A but I do respect your overall Constitution support LonePirate Nov 2015 #30

Firearms aren't the root problem of the violence Panich52 Nov 2015 #45

The current approach by controllers IS a prohibition model... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #2

When the politician who wants to take a look at the Australian model tularetom Nov 2015 #11

Whose approach is in question? Was this meant to be satirical or do you actually believe this? LonePirate Nov 2015 #12

Do You endorse confiscation? N/T beevul Nov 2015 #14

I endorse confiscation once we embed it in the Constitution. LonePirate Nov 2015 #15

Is that supposed to be some sort of cover... beevul Nov 2015 #16

Tens of millions may feel that right is important but tens of millions also vote Republican. LonePirate Nov 2015 #18

And people are just supposed to agree with you... beevul Nov 2015 #22

If you want to talk objectively, then people obviously don't need guns - they simply want them. LonePirate Nov 2015 #27

Objectively. beevul Nov 2015 #29

I suppose you have a Scarlet Letter system to identify that alleged .1%, right? LonePirate Nov 2015 #31

By behavior. beevul Nov 2015 #32

You said to focus on the .1% but you never said how to do it. How are we to identify them? LonePirate Nov 2015 #33

No, I didn't. beevul Nov 2015 #36

Waiting until they cross a line really wrecks the whole prevention effort LonePirate Nov 2015 #37

Waiting until they cross a line really wrecks the whole prevention effort beevul Nov 2015 #38

When multiple people are murdered regularly with a knife or billy club or other object LonePirate Nov 2015 #40

I knew it wouldn't take long. beevul Nov 2015 #41

Knives and clubs are used to murder four times as many people benEzra Nov 2015 #44

And what are you doing personally to make that happen? DonP Nov 2015 #19

Then you endorse civil disruption on a vast and bloody scale. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #28

Would you please take a guess at what percentage of gun owners would fight/kill jmg257 Nov 2015 #34

Impossible to say, really. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #35

I think a majority of states would actively resist any such attempt Lurks Often Nov 2015 #50

Thanks (and Lizzy too). I didn't think of state reactions, etc. vs individuals. jmg257 Nov 2015 #53

Unlikely, states recognize it would never hold up to judicial scrutiny Lurks Often Nov 2015 #58

There might be an answer to that in the drug wars. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #68

Perhaps, may even see some state actively prevent Federal law enforcement Lurks Often Nov 2015 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #66

Prohibitions never turn out well Panich52 Nov 2015 #48

Gun lovers, like most lovers, will do anything to protect the beloved....that is clear enough. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #62

actually by the Venzualians gejohnston Nov 2015 #63

Does this sound like taking your beloved away from you? liberal N proud Nov 2015 #3

No, that sounds like a false, flawed, and misleading premise. N/t beevul Nov 2015 #5

In other news... beevul Nov 2015 #6

Without reading the OP; Is/Was there ever any doubt? ileus Nov 2015 #7

.....snip....snip...sniping logic from the debate is of course all the gun lovers have to work with. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #8

"gun retrieval experience" krispos42 Nov 2015 #43

I read in one description about Australia that a registration period jmg257 Nov 2015 #54

"Australian gun retrieval experience" virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #46

always happy to oblige discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #49

Makes sense - the only way to drastically reduce levels of gun-related crime/violence is to jmg257 Nov 2015 #10

Maybe some posters would help -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2015 #39

Reduce the number of guns is indeed the only solution now....control the guns by not having them! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #47

Now THAT'S "Common-Sense" control! jmg257 Nov 2015 #55

I don't know where he gets this we, GGJohn Nov 2015 #61

How do you propose to get the 20-25% of the population that own guns to acquiesce? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #57

Who is this we? GGJohn Nov 2015 #60

if you dont like abortion dont have one Elmergantry Nov 2015 #24

Isn't it obvious??? ileus Nov 2015 #42

There will be only one thing to damped USA gin love DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #51

The Huey Newton Gun club would really like you as a guest speaker next month DonP Nov 2015 #52

Gun love is unquenchable...you have to take away the object of the love.....the gun. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #56

Gun hate is unquenchable, you mean...you have to take away the object of the hatred.....the gun beevul Nov 2015 #59

Ummm, check your prejudices. benEzra Nov 2015 #64

RIP Otis McDonald - Good Man DonP Nov 2015 #65

A very good man indeed Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #67

Fuck Australia. Implement the Hawaii system nationwide. nt flamin lib Nov 2015 #70