Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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74. just because the story doesn't say there

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:53 PM

Nov 2015

was, doesn't mean there wasn't. The kid had no way of knowing either way. Remember, everything has to be based on what the kid's perspective. Media reports are not the end all or be all of anything, nor do they include all relevant details. That is one reason I don't pay that much attention to them. He also didn't know that anyone would return fire.
Then again, assuming there wasn't anyone there and the attackers heard him go out the front door, then he would be vulnerable. I can picture this as likely if the house is, say, a single wide trailer or a shotgun house.
People react to the stress and base their decisions on what is front of them. He knows that more than anyone else. Maybe you would do the same in the exact same situation, maybe not. Assuming a motivation based on, not much, is really projection.

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13-year-old SC boy shoots and kills intruder while home alone [View all] Kang Colby Nov 2015 OP

Yeah TeddyR Nov 2015 #1

Re: school... Kang Colby Nov 2015 #2

But who cares? His slaughter of another human who was a perceived threat... Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #4

So you think it was better for him to risk getting raped or shot dead? yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #7

Those were the only choices? Kill or be killed/raped? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #11

If the cops were correct in the situation then yes yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #14

Kumbaya. We're done. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #21

I would consider two guys breaking into my home not a perceived threat, but an actual threat. Waldorf Nov 2015 #60

"perceived threat"? beevul Nov 2015 #28

LOL! Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #29

Keep laughing. beevul Nov 2015 #35

Why, Buzz, you don't support the Joe Biden self-defense technique? Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #52

Good riddance to bad rubbish The Green Manalishi Nov 2015 #110

Awesome! The boy is now guilty of taking a human life. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #3

Here's a simple solution, GGJohn Nov 2015 #8

No, this is the dumbest statement of all time: Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #12

How do you know it's a lie? GGJohn Nov 2015 #15

Read the story. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #22

There's been a tremndous uptick door attacks discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #32

Your attitude is precisely why cops have gotten away with murder for so many years. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #34

How willing are you to discuss the alternatives that the home invaders had? beevul Nov 2015 #36

Your connecting this to cop shootings is irrelevant discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #43

Brutality is what you are doing to logic to justify your position beardown Nov 2015 #41

"Only thing...attacked was the door:" Only thing torpedoed was Lusitania's hull plating. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #54

JESUS CHRIST!!!!! GGJohn Nov 2015 #63

...wait...there's sort of an echo here discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #65

Jesus. I thought I was in The Time Machine (1960). Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #121

Although I questioned why the kid was home TeddyR Nov 2015 #9

Ok. You value possessions and privacy over human life. Noted. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #13

What part of he broke into the home did you miss? GGJohn Nov 2015 #16

"attempting to break in" safeinOhio Nov 2015 #18

Not for these guys: lethal force is always justified whenever a threat exists (real or perceived) Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #24

I guess you support safeinOhio Nov 2015 #47

Home invaders (hence the expression) usually expect someone to be home. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #55

I agree, GGJohn Nov 2015 #62

Unless you're a mind reader or can time travel... Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #20

Kill first, ask questions later. Got it. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #82

Don't try to put words in my mouth. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #87

Ok -- would you mind distilling your word salad to a single sentence? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #88

I've actually BEEN in that situation. (warning: way more than one sentence) Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #91

If you consider an intelligent, properly spelled, properly punctuated, literate reply Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #118

I value the sanctity of the home TeddyR Nov 2015 #56

"Stand your ground." In most states, you would be on legal footing. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #81

stand your ground doesn't apply here gejohnston Nov 2015 #83

If you are breaking into MY home, I value MY LIFE over yours... Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #79

Nice story. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #80

He didn't *have* to run out the front door, SC's "castle doctrine" laws Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #84

I get it: kill 'em. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #85

No, you shoot to stop the threat DonP Nov 2015 #86

Interesting rationalization: "shoot to stop the threat" Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #93

Not a rationalization, it's just what we teach and what the law allows DonP Nov 2015 #95

If somebody beats down my door, goddamnit, I'm threatened tularetom Nov 2015 #103

Obviously you don't "get" *anything* about this subject... Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #92

So, where was I wrong with the "kill first, ask questions later"? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #94

You STILL don't get it, and continue to defend criminals, so all I can say is... Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #97

Defend criminals? Care to quote me where I defended any criminal? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #99

Funny you bring that up, to us it seems gun control "fans" are more like them DonP Nov 2015 #102

Funny you should bring that up. beevul Nov 2015 #107

And this equates to me defending criminals???? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #108

Wait, what? beevul Nov 2015 #109

You think that... beevul Nov 2015 #112

Since you believe that the child is guilty, and the other two are innocent. oneshooter Nov 2015 #116

How about right here?? Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #113

Your interlocutor can't even make up his own mind... beevul Nov 2015 #114

Hell, he can't even get the story right, and keeps defending the criminals Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #115

The Hug-a-Thug is strong in this thread, Jedi. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #120

Could have run out the front door into the other two guys breaking in from the front. beardown Nov 2015 #117

So when is sarisataka Nov 2015 #17

He shot through a door. Blindly. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #23

That doesn't answer the question sarisataka Nov 2015 #25

Damn, I swear to God I have debated you before in a dark, damp hole in a rock. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #27

You did not answer sarisataka Nov 2015 #31

I answered, you misread my answer. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #33

LOL sarisataka Nov 2015 #37

" to the contrary, I am encouraging you to speak" beevul Nov 2015 #39

I find it odd sarisataka Nov 2015 #42

It speaks to the courage of their convictions. beevul Nov 2015 #44

Wrong again. That's twice you misread my answer Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #46

He can't misread an answer you never gave. beevul Nov 2015 #48

the hive is in full hum Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #50

Then correct me sarisataka Nov 2015 #51

I note that a day and a half later, no correction has been made friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #111

The fact that they were trying to break in and shoot inside the house PROVE that they were a threat. beevul Nov 2015 #30

It's never too early to train your children to defend themselves. ileus Nov 2015 #5

And always leave a loaded gun or two lying around when you leave your kids home alone. stone space Nov 2015 #53

Welcome back............... GGJohn Nov 2015 #64

DGU is what? TexasProgresive Nov 2015 #6

Why didn't he just run out the front door and call 911? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #10

and if someone was covering the front door? gejohnston Nov 2015 #67

He saw them pull up. You're trying too hard. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #69

He saw the ones in the BACK YARD pull up. beevul Nov 2015 #70

don't care gejohnston Nov 2015 #71

No, I don't think he should risk his life, that's why I asked why he didn't leave. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #73

just because the story doesn't say there gejohnston Nov 2015 #74

There's really no point to this conversation, you are creating your own facts. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #75

not quite, gejohnston Nov 2015 #77

The other side of the story safeinOhio Nov 2015 #19

"Shit happens". Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #26

Thats a DIFFERENT story. beevul Nov 2015 #38

That would be an entirely sarisataka Nov 2015 #40

Then how about this safeinOhio Nov 2015 #45

What does that have to do with the OP? N/T beevul Nov 2015 #49

As I stated above TeddyR Nov 2015 #57

This 14 year old was in the house with his parents safeinOhio Nov 2015 #58

Perhaps TeddyR Nov 2015 #59

Post was about children safeinOhio Nov 2015 #61

perhaps this one better gejohnston Nov 2015 #68

That's not the other side of the story, GGJohn Nov 2015 #66

LOL it is amusing too see them flip out about stories of this nature.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #72

You know whats more amusing? beevul Nov 2015 #78

Even more amusing? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #90

Speaking of 'full of hum this morning'... beevul Nov 2015 #98

Nicely played, Mr. Rhetorical! Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #100

Look, I'd rather have a real debate... beevul Nov 2015 #101

You don't want a debate -- you want only to attempt to humiliate your "opponents." Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #104

I can see how you'd confuse the two. beevul Nov 2015 #105

What are you talking about? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #89

Breaking into an occupied residential dwelling is considered a potentially lethal threat branford Nov 2015 #96

You are mistaken.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #106

That could have been me at age 13 (or 10) had circumstances Purveyor Nov 2015 #76

Here's a better link, with more information on the story... Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #119