Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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154. You obviously didn't read the linked article.

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:54 PM

Nov 2015

Yes....because THAT one doesn't make claims AGAINST guns...

those are the ones they are prevented from being presented to the public...

and I can prove it too...

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

Here it is again:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html

There are plenty of findings in there that are "against" guns. The findings are mixed. That's what you get when you do objective research. Isn't science wonderful?

There is no "ban" on gun research. There is a ban on federal funding for "research" that is agenda-driven rather than objective. The people who are complaining the loudest are the people who lost the meal ticket for their pet cause. The "disease" model for criminal violence is conceptually flawed and serves only to promote the cause of gun control.

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Gun in hand, 68 year old woman saves boyfriend in attack [View all] Kang Colby Nov 2015 OP

should we just start posting every single gun fatality on that occurs ...on DU? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #1

SecularMotion got that covered....1 pipoman Nov 2015 #2

EVERY single one? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #3

What good would it do you? beevul Nov 2015 #4

Perhaps it would drown out all these desperate posts trying to prove guns VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #6

Nope. It will just strengthen our resolve. beevul Nov 2015 #8

"running the show" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #10

I don't need to hide behind anyone. beevul Nov 2015 #14

apparently you do...you are afraid of us "running the show" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #15

Apparently I don't. beevul Nov 2015 #18

Duplicate. N/T beevul Nov 2015 #19

"its just very disrespectful of those that have died" Brickbat Nov 2015 #87

Yes it is....every 4.4 days another toddler dies... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #88

Sorry to hear about your cousin. GGJohn Nov 2015 #93

and you posts DEFENDING those deaths... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #94

What a lie. GGJohn Nov 2015 #95

its the truth and YOU know it! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #96

Well, then, if you're going to go that route, GGJohn Nov 2015 #97

Yeah...but quill and ink... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #98

Really? GGJohn Nov 2015 #99

Yes really.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #100

Take out the suicides and you have appox 8,000 firearm deaths per year in the US, GGJohn Nov 2015 #101

No I wont VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #102

And Australia is vastly different culture from the US. GGJohn Nov 2015 #103

Yeah...it does now... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #104

BOOM what? GGJohn Nov 2015 #105

per capita? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #107

Yes, per capita, GGJohn Nov 2015 #108

Yes and I showed why... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #120

Here you go. GGJohn Nov 2015 #109

Bullshit... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #110

Yet Japan, where it's almost impossible to get a gun, GGJohn Nov 2015 #113

In Japan, if a husband killes his wife and three kids, it is nit recorded as a murder/suicide. oneshooter Nov 2015 #147

BOOM! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #148

actually, they only removed gejohnston Nov 2015 #112

bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #114

I didn't get that from the NRA gejohnston Nov 2015 #116

oh a cop!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #118

I doubt it gejohnston Nov 2015 #123

I don't doubt it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #127

Cleaning a loaded gun known to mechanically fail? JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #106

Don't we have sooooo many "irresponsible gun owners" in this country??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #111

The system has failed to educate the public. JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #115

Why not reduce firearms and we reduce gun deaths??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #117

Sounds great. JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #119

When they are more expensive and harder to get! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #121

Might take 200 years. JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #122

might... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #125

Australia has more to do with gejohnston Nov 2015 #124

Oh right...you just keep telling yourself that... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #126

It DOES NOT! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #9

Yes, in fact it does. beevul Nov 2015 #11

I have the facts... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #13

Facts from the VPC? beevul Nov 2015 #16

beats the shit out of yours from the NRA! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #20

Except I haven't cited anything from the nra. beevul Nov 2015 #21

Its all you got VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #23

beevulhasn't cited, nor posted links from, the NRA. YOU, on the other hand, Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #84

Its where the money comes from and you know it VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #90

and... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #24

actually, the NRA might claim that gejohnston Nov 2015 #26

No he is not... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #29

the fact that he gets all of his information gejohnston Nov 2015 #40

How about I just give you the truth instead... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #12

It's been done ... about 8 times and never well or consistently DonP Nov 2015 #17

all 48 children a day... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #22

Boom. You lose. beevul Nov 2015 #25

thats fucking bullshit and you know it! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #27

That which is asserted without evidence, is dismissed without evidence. beevul Nov 2015 #31

denial is not dismissal VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #32

Now its congresses fault that you're a poor debater without any reliable source material? beevul Nov 2015 #35

I am not the poor debater here... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #37

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #43

im the childish one... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #47

Good for you, GGJohn Nov 2015 #50

He/she is just fishing for hide. beevul Nov 2015 #64

It's so obvious it's funny. GGJohn Nov 2015 #76

You're right, my bad. You aren't debating at all. beevul Nov 2015 #49

hahahahaha Right... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #52

Whats the matter, subject get uncomfortable and you decided it needed a change? beevul Nov 2015 #56

I have a question about Mr. Webster gejohnston Nov 2015 #77

Bunk.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #86

So with respect to the first paragraph TeddyR Nov 2015 #91

if the gun is used by a "law abiding citizen" it does.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #92

Excellent work. I enjoyed reading the exchange. n/t Kang Colby Nov 2015 #51

You really need to calm down and find a better source for your claims DonP Nov 2015 #28

How about the CDC and the FBI??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #30

None of which has anything to do with defensive gun usage. beevul Nov 2015 #33

statistics......you mean the statistics the NRA controlled REPUBLICAN CONGRESS VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #36

Poor you, the world is just so full of facts you disagree with. beevul Nov 2015 #38

i know damn well that dgu does not outnumber the deaths VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #42

And now the personal insults. GGJohn Nov 2015 #46

No. You BELIEVE that that dgu does not outnumber the death. beevul Nov 2015 #53

My statistics? I didnt cite any, try again DonP Nov 2015 #41

its coming believe that VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #44

"its coming believe that" GGJohn Nov 2015 #54

Oh yea... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #55

... GGJohn Nov 2015 #67

thats whats coming... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #68

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #72

fantasy huh? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #74

No, we won't. GGJohn Nov 2015 #75

CDC? Straw Man Nov 2015 #83

The CDC has been prevented FROM making their studies public... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #129

Well duh! That post just cited a recent gun control related CDC study ordered by President Obama DonP Nov 2015 #133

Well DUH VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #134

Yes Double Duh!, because you were just shown a recent CDC gun control study!!!!! DonP Nov 2015 #139

triple DUH! and I just showed YOU how the NRA runs Congress AND then the CDC VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #140

So President Obama made them publish a gun control study he didn't like? DonP Nov 2015 #141

it wasn't one AGAINST gun control was it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #142

Well, I teach concealed carry classes and use a keyboard too DonP Nov 2015 #143

another hour goes buy... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #145

You write this like it's a bad thing. beardown Nov 2015 #144

Yes I do...because IT DOES VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #152

Really? Straw Man Nov 2015 #151

Yes....because THAT one doesn't make claims AGAINST guns... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #153

You obviously didn't read the linked article. Straw Man Nov 2015 #154

what do YOU call a child? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #34

Why yes, I was allowed to reproduce, how about YOU? DonP Nov 2015 #60

You are the one wanting to define a child... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #61

Prove what? Good night and better luck next time, with your "approach" to discussion you need it DonP Nov 2015 #69

every 4.4 days...another baby DEAD!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #71

More exclamation points and all CAPS doesn't make you sound any less desperate or foolish DonP Nov 2015 #79

I expect to see a panic induced post by you in GD then... beevul Nov 2015 #80

yep every one in the same sense that the op posts every single dgu pipoman Nov 2015 #82

DGUs are much more common by any measure. n/t Kang Colby Nov 2015 #5

bullfuckingshit! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #7

My My, someone is very defensive. GGJohn Nov 2015 #39

and i dont need a pea shooter VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #45

Good for you, GGJohn Nov 2015 #48

apparently you need a gun to "defend yourself" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #58

Where in this thread did I say that I needed a firearm to defend myself? GGJohn Nov 2015 #62

And you sound like a typical gunner VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #66

Again the insults. GGJohn Nov 2015 #70

You carry your guns...I carry my insults! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #73

That doesn't even make any sense. GGJohn Nov 2015 #78

False on both counts. n/t Kang Colby Nov 2015 #57

really? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #59

Link? Kang Colby Nov 2015 #63

easy VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #65

Let me ask you an honest question. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #81

Yes I do.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #85

Those like DGU ones just serve to reinforce the idea to CC. ileus Nov 2015 #89

disgusting... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #128

Vanilla, in a hurricane of gun-banner postings of killings, you found a fetid breeze? Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #131

Rather be ironic... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #132

I wonder. Is gun-control where good liberals go to hate with impunity? Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #135

Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #136

"Children under the age of twenty." Really. Why not thirty? Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #137

why not??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #138

Have a good one, Vanilla! Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #149

May you loose your fear of living life... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #150

I'm more impressed that the 68 yo lady has a boyfriend! nt procon Nov 2015 #130

K & R edgineered Nov 2015 #146

It doesn't say he 'retreated' because he saw that she was armed. louis-t Nov 2015 #155

Yeah, the guy probably had a sudden attack of conscience DonP Nov 2015 #156